BB2K7 Personality System

[Clay Dreslough]

Clay, you may want to take a look at www.hattrick.org. Their personality model is a bit simpler but works nicely.

Here's the list:

Agreeability
beloved team member
popular guy
sympathetic guy
pleasant guy
controversial person
nasty fellow

Honesty
saintly
righteous
upright
honest
dishonest
infamous

Aggressivity
tranquil
calm
balanced
temperamental
fiery

Team spirit
Paradise on Earth!
walking on clouds
delirious
satisfied
content
calm
composed
irritated
furious
murderous
like the Cold War

Team confidence
extremely exaggerated
completely exaggerated
slightly exaggerated
wonderful
strong
decent
poor
wretched
disastrous
non-existent

We've got everything covered already except Honesty. I'm not sure how important that is -- nor if we could do a decent job of estimating an 'honesty' value for current players.

[Bgsexy66]

Here's the list:

Agreeability
beloved team member
popular guy
sympathetic guy
pleasant guy
controversial person
nasty fellow

Honesty
saintly
righteous
upright
honest
dishonest
infamous

Aggressivity
tranquil
calm
balanced
temperamental
fiery

Team spirit
Paradise on Earth!
walking on clouds
delirious
satisfied
content
calm
composed
irritated
furious
murderous
like the Cold War

Team confidence
extremely exaggerated
completely exaggerated
slightly exaggerated
wonderful
strong
decent
poor
wretched
disastrous
non-existent

We've got everything covered already except Honesty. I'm not sure how important that is -- nor if we could do a decent job of estimating an 'honesty' value for current players.

Just think now you can know and have a team full of a**holes probably not the best combination of a team, but I can already see the headlines of tommorrow.

[ScorpioPrimus]

Just what does the personality option get me as an owner/manager? Unless you rig game play so that a bad locker room atmosphere leads to teams blowing leads, collapsing in August/September, and so on, while a superb clubhouse leads to team members playing above their ability for that one memorable drive to the pennant, I don't see how it matters that much to the game.

For that matter, I don't understand the "friendship" thing either, as it seems everyone in the league is great friends with a utility player they've never played with. It seems to me either they should want to be with someone from their hometown/college, or some guy they played with (in the minors or majors), or at least some league superstar.

[LankfordFanClub]

This is going to cause some problems, as I'm seeing it now. Playoff samples are almost universally small, and basically used as an excuse to elevate players who don't deserve it. Bonds has a .933 playoff OPS, anyway, and the guy hit for an OPS of 1.994 in the series--what more could his team want from him?

[Bgsexy66]

This is going to cause some problems, as I'm seeing it now. Playoff samples are almost universally small, and basically used as an excuse to elevate players who don't deserve it. Bonds has a .933 playoff OPS, anyway, and the guy hit for an OPS of 1.994 in the series--what more could his team want from him?

Leadership Maybe??

[brooklynlou]

In Hattrick, Honesty is a way to measure just how often a player is willing to cheat / take a dive / etc. It also increases that player's chance of getting carded (as does aggresivity)

[SFSteveG]

In Hattrick, Honesty is a way to measure just how often a player is willing to cheat / take a dive / etc. It also increases that player's chance of getting carded (as does aggresivity)

I want my players sheating. I'd love my 38 year old star 300 win pitcher get caught scuffing a ball or 3rd catcher corking. I dig it.

[Northern Brave]

Suggestion here would be to have the setting for the team/clubhouse be a manager thing... hire/fire managers as they all have their own personality and how they run their club and clubhouse... would then affect how the players react and fit in... as opposed to just letting us pick what the setting for the team would be...

Other than that digging this completely!

[wolfgangline6]

Here are a few Jays players that come to mind:

Frank Catalanotto
1) Ambition: -40 (he just wants to play, ******!)
2) Camradery: 20 (seems to get along with most guys, but not a beer after work guy either)
3) Charisma: 10 (generally liked, but not in the limelight)
4) Charity: 40 (again, not about the money, more about the playing time)
5) Community: 0 (will do PR for a team in the community, but will go where he can get playing time again as mentioned earlier)
6) Modesty: 40 (not a superstar, but gives 110% and never complains)
7) Professionalism: 40 (very focused)
8) Restraint: 40 (doesn't lose his cool or seem to ever argue with the umps)
9) Seriousness: 20 (serious about playing, but willing to be a little self-deprecating in interviews)

Roy Halladay
1) Ambition: 10 (wants to win, but is patient and took a long-term contract with the Jays knowing there would be some lean years)
2) Camradery: -10 (not offensive, but doesn't seem to pal around either)
3) Charisma: 30 (he's one of the few draws for Jays fans over the last few years and is used extensively in their advertising)
4) Charity: -20 (clearly money was greater than ambition in him staying with the Jays)
5) Community: 10 (genuinely likes Toronto and does the occasional community event, but still not greater than his money desires)
6) Modesty: -10 (seems to have a slight attitude, but doesn't openly complain)
7) Professionalism: 40 (not a Clemens, but still incredibly focused and worked out to come back early after injuries, though mgmt kept him back)
8) Restraint: -10 (didn't complain when mgmt wouldn't let him return last year, but has gotten into arguments with umpires/showed frustration on the mound)
9) Seriousness: 25 (seems relaxed in ads, but game-day interviews he's nothing but business)

And now a former Blue Jay:
Carlos Delgado
1) Ambition: -30 (says he wants to win, but has always been more about the money than anything else)
2) Camradery: -30 (openly complained his last year in Toronto about the youth on the bench and players not being seasoned enough to play)
3) Charisma: 10 (Overall liked by the home town, but people know he wants the benjamins)
4) Charity: -50 (primarily dollar-focused - he would be a full-time DH for the right price)
5) Community: -40 (never did many public appearances in Toronto or seemed involved in the city at all)
6) Modesty: -40 (thinks every year he should be in the MVP race)
7) Professionalism: 30 (he shows up to play and will play through some degree of injuries)
8) Restraint: -30 (definitely a hot-head, especially at critics in the press, but never saw him start brawls either)
9) Seriousness: 30 (pretty serious - seldom see him crack a joke or smile much)

Again, these are just my opinions, I could be wrong....

[Clay Dreslough]

All,

Thanks for your feedback so far. I've tweaked the names some.

Professionalism is now 'Drive'.

Modesty is now 'Ego' (and I inverted all the ratings).

Restraint is now 'Aggression' (again, this has the exact reverse meaning)

Charity is now 'Greed' (also reversed)

Attached is the Personality file I'll be shipping with the game. I've added the 4 players that were posted here, but it's mostly empty. I don't have time to come up with a lot of personality data. So if you edit this file and post it, I'll use the work you did in BB2K7.

(It would be helpful if you only include rows for players you ADDED to the file).

Thanks!

Clay

[f0zz1l]

Hello, one of the few times posting here but ive been a fan and player for a good 4 years now. I agree with some previous posts about the managerial question of how they do levy a clubhouse depending on their own personalitys. So that is an issue, if ur going to put an emphasis on a players ability to change a clubhouse.
Secondly, as also mentioned before, perhaps a Wisdom/Knowledge meter. You hear it all the time, It is the peak of the player. As a raw rookie ur knowledge level is low, but as ur years of experience go up so does your knowledge. Isnt that what peak means? The point where ur physical and mental aspects of the game are at the greatest? If there were some way of quikening this, a wiley 42 year old pitcher with succes? maybe instead of taking a raw rookie 4-7 years ( dont know wut the numbers would be) to reach his peak, maybe with veteran leadership around him he could cut the number 1/3? maybe only 3-5 years? that would be a nice reason to keep ur vets around besides the fan draw and personal stats.
Lastly, as far as the "clutch" trait being thrown around. I deem it impossible to apply this to any kind of simulation,fact that there would also have to be a "clutch" for defensive players along with pitchers (don mattingly was concidered clutch, but wut if he tatoos a ball to center, and the CF is clutch with a range and defensive factor of 96 and catches it? does that make mattingly a choke?) Instead i prupose a "Luck" factor.
The "Luck" factor would be used to show how a player does in Clutch situations. RISP, Laying down a bunt, executing a hit and run, making a spectacular diving play, striking a guy out ect. This way u could be the best hitter/pitcher in the league, but with low luck his/her chances of doing what they are supposed to decreases. There are so many interesting factors u could tie into the "Luck" category. Stadium crowd, history against hitter/batter. The actual batting order (Yankees order would intimidate a pitcher with low "luck"). Aspects like personal players hot streaks, team streaks ect. A world of possibilities.
Just my 2 cents

[Electricbassguy]

Bill Mueller

1) Ambition. (-10)
2) Modesty. (50)
Low scores describe players that are egotistical or boastful. High scores reflect humility and a tendency to put the team ahead of personal accomplishments.

3) Charisma. (30) Fans seem to love him. Always a fan favorite.
Fan-friendliness. Low scores are aloof or even rude. Higher scores are lovable and photogenic.

4) Camradery. (10)
Friendliness and chumminess INSIDE the clubhouse. This trait isn't always a good thing. A gregarious player like David Ortiz might not be happy in a reserved clubhouse of professional superstars like the Yankees.

5) Restraint. (50)
An even temper. Low scores reflect players that are excitable and even prone to fights. Higher scores show patience in these situations.

6) Charity. (10) I'm not too sure.
The opposite of 'Charity' is 'Greed'. Players with low Charity scores will put more value on money than other factors in negotations. Low charity combined with low modesty can lead to very demanding players.

7) Seriousness. (20)
Serious, strait-laced. Some might say 'boring'. These players don't waste much energy on hugs, practical jokes and the like.

8) Professionalism. (40)
Low scores indicate the appearance of a casual or even sloppy approach to the game and the personal appearance. Long hair and untucked shirts. High scores show a more organized attitude. Like seriousness, this trait doesn't have an effect on gameplay BY ITSELF as much as it affects TEAM chemistry. A team of laid-back players can get along as well as a team of high-strung competitors.

9) Community. (0)
The weight the player puts on his home, family and community. High scores indicate players that will give a "hometown discount" to stay with a team (or move to their hometown). Low scores indicate players that will switch teams for the highest bidder.

[RESnider]

What about the clutch rating? Is that going to get in? There are some players that are Mr. October and others that choke big.