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    Johnny Damon

    Signs with the Yankees for $52 million over 4 years.

    This has started a thread among Red Sox fans wondering if we have any chance of contending in 2006, with the team still trying to unload Manny for example. And wondering if the Red Sox have "a plan".

    About a year ago, I think I even remember Theo saying things to the extent of "we don't want to hurt this team in the long term by making short-term moves".

    He's got a great point. We don't want to trade the next Bagwell. But an attitude like that is also indicative of a plan. Namely, now that the Red Sox have won a World Championship, focus less on winning this year, and more on building a perpetual contender, like Atlanta.

    Of course, its tough to win 11 straight division titles when you're in the same division with Steinbrenner. In fact, despite the World Championship banner, we still haven't won the division in quite some time.

    The CW is that Theo and his those who worked with him (and are now running the place) are "Moneyball" disciples. Like the A's of the 1990s, they focus on putting together a team at the least expense. But those A's played in a weaker division and never got past the first round of the playoffs. The Red Sox can't build a team like that and still keep Red Sox Nation happy.

    Now that we have two GMs, maybe one of them should be the "Moneyball GM", doing his best to spend $55 million to fill 21 roster spots and the balance of the 40-man roster. Then we can tell the other GM to spend the other $65 million to fill 6 roster spots.

    Take the Oakland A's and add the following 6 superstars and you've got a 100-win team:

    Vlad Guerrero: $12,500,000
    Bartolo Colon: $10,000,000
    Miguel Tejada: $10,781,000
    Jim Thome: $13,167,000
    Ken Griffey: $10,365,000
    Kerry Wood: $9,500,000

    Note. I tried not to "cheat" in building this list. I just started at 'A' (Anaheim) and went through each roster grabbing the most expensive guys. This list has guys like Vlad that are probably underpaid. But also has guys like Thome, Griffey and Wood that are aging and/or struggling with injuries.

    Nevertheless, it seems to me the big hole in the Red Sox strategy is forgetting to realize that it is possible for a player to earn an eight-figure salary and still be worth the money.

    Manny Ramirez is an excellent example. They've been trying to unload him since Theo arrived. But if you pick any bunch of post-arbitration guys at random in the majors earning a total of $19.8 million -- I'm guessing you'd rather have Manny than those guys.

    OK. Let's try it. I randomly picked the Tigers.

    Starting with their highest paid Tigers: Ivan Rodriguez $8M, Dmitri Young $8m, Carlos Guillen $4M.

    I'd rather have Manny.

    Starting with the cheaper (post-arbitration) Tigers: Craig Monroe ($400K), Jamie Walker ($900K), Todd Jones ($1,1M), Brandon Inge ($1.35M), Carlos Pena ($2.6M), Kenny Rogers ($3.3M), Placido Polanco ($4.6M), Troy Percival ($5.9M).

    There's some talent there. But it's still an easy decision. I'd rather have Manny. That kind of bat in the lineup is irreplaceable.

    The lesson I've learned from Baseball Mogul Online is to get and keep the best talent. Guys like Albert Pujols never end up in Free Agency.

    You surround the stars with replacement players, and you have a winning team. It's the middle guys -- paying $6M+ for Jaret Wright or Randy Wolf -- that hurts a team.

    I'm still not entirely sure where to come down on the Johnny Damon signing. He led the majors in on-base percentage among center fielders, and he seems to cover a lot of ground. So like Manny, he's essentially irreplaceable at the top of the lineup. But it also looks like he's already had his peak years -- and he's not an MVP candidate like Vlad or Manny or A-Rod. In that case, $13M is simply too much, and you need to spend it somewhere else.

    Johnny WILL be the next Bernie Williams. An aging superstar who the Yankees are trying to replace. But I'm not sure how long it will take him to get there.
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    robinhoodnik Guest

    Re: Johnny Damon

    He's often reading balls wrong too. Remember that he wasn't an everyday CF 'till he arrived in Boston. If you can't be the everyday in K.C. or Oakland....... I agree that 13 million is absolutely insane for a CF who doesn't hit 20 homeruns a year, has a weak throwing arm, is starting to show signs of wear and tear, doesn't really steal bases anymore, and isn't a particularly great defender. Sure he's fast enough to get there when he does figure it out, but how much longer is that going to last?

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    Quote Originally Posted by robinhoodnik
    He's often reading balls wrong too. Remember that he wasn't an everyday CF 'till he arrived in Boston. If you can't be the everyday in K.C. or Oakland....... I agree that 13 million is absolutely insane for a CF who doesn't hit 20 homeruns a year, has a weak throwing arm, is starting to show signs of wear and tear, doesn't really steal bases anymore, and isn't a particularly great defender. Sure he's fast enough to get there when he does figure it out, but how much longer is that going to last?
    The thing I think is hilarious is he has to cut off all of his hair. Now he's gonna have less wind resistance, lol

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    Re: Johnny Damon

    Damon is an excellent LF, and not so excellent CF...I see Reed from the Mariners going to the sox. Reed, in Fenway might actually hit to his potential, in the minors Reed hit at all levels, and was the main piece to the Freddy Garcia trade....Reed had gold glove defense in CF (a position where it has won something like 12-13 Gold gloves since 1990. (ken Griffey and Mike Cameron) thou he didnt win the Gold glove, he played great out there...his question is his bat, kind of funny because thru the minors, everybody was questioning his defense, and range...

    I hope the Mariners keep him, and dont get Arroyo, or Clement from the Sox. Clement is overpaid, and Arroyo, a good cheap quality pitcher, wouldnt replace what the mariners need the most, a good bat.

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    I don't think it'll be a one for one. With Damon off the market the cost of center fielders just went up.

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    Re: Johnny Damon

    SI.com thinks the Red Sox are in trouble.
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    Re: Johnny Damon

    Quote Originally Posted by Clay Dreslough
    SI.com thinks the Red Sox are in trouble.
    Great article.

    Even Dan Duquette chimed in.

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    robinhoodnik Guest

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    The article was O.K., the arguing after was the highlight. Lot's of good and not so good points brought up.

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    cshiel63 Guest

    Re: Johnny Damon

    The REAL reason Johnny Damon signed with the Yankees:

    Jason Giambi offered to share his steroids with him




    GO YANKEES!!!

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    robinhoodnik Guest

    Re: Johnny Damon

    I'm guessing that his marketing potential went down quite a bit with the loss of his hair, beard, and idiot persona. All of the things that made him unique in Boston are gone in New York. No more caveman look, or band of idiots routine.

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    Re: Johnny Damon

    Quote Originally Posted by robinhoodnik
    I'm guessing that his marketing potential went down quite a bit with the loss of his hair, beard, and idiot persona. All of the things that made him unique in Boston are gone in New York. No more caveman look, or band of idiots routine.
    Well, the Yankees have a policy against long hair and beards, but AFAIK they don't have a policy against being an idiot. I mean, if they do, how do you explain David Wells?

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    Re: Johnny Damon

    Quote Originally Posted by dps
    Well, the Yankees have a policy against long hair and beards, but AFAIK they don't have a policy against being an idiot. I mean, if they do, how do you explain David Wells?
    Alcoholism, should explain his situation well enough.

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    Re: Johnny Damon

    I'm a Boston fan and its too bad he had to leave but it was the best thing for the Red Sox and for him. He got more money and we avoided a long contract with a player who is good but not worth $$$$ and has early signs of some injury trouble. The downside is that Johnny made a lot of money for a lot of businesses in the Boston area, and he made a lot of fans (mostly female) smile. And while I can't root for him when comes to bat in May at Fenway as a Yankee, because such is the way of life, I can respect the decision he made.

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    Re: Johnny Damon

    One of the rare instances of a player leaving and not getting trashed by the Red Sox or shooting his way out of town. I can understand his leaving for 12 million more over the life of the contract. I too am glad that the Red Sox didn't over pay him. I really don't think that he was worth the 10 million Boston offered him. I also think that he's going to be hurt and when that happens now, without free agency ahead of him, he'll take the bench when it happens. His arm is the other issue in Yankee stadium. Whoever happens to be playing the middle infield will get one he ll of a workout playing short center field for him.

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    robinhoodnik Guest

    Re: Johnny Damon

    Quote Originally Posted by dps
    Well, the Yankees have a policy against long hair and beards, but AFAIK they don't have a policy against being an idiot. I mean, if they do, how do you explain David Wells?
    Without the look no one is going to care what he (Damon) has to say for very long. He'll still be an idiot, just all by himself now. I'm in agreement with BG on the alcoholism bit.

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