Is there now any doubt?

[K_Dub420]

IMO it's like alot what the writers have been saying, this is only the tip of the iceberg......

[Deke]

Originally posted by mcpickl
they could use the "OJ" trick to show Bonds' use of steroids. Rather than " if the glove dont fit, you must acquit", find a hat Bonds wore five years ago, and have him try to fit it onto his swollen, misshapen skull.

lol!

[rainman]

Steroids or no, to deny Bonds his place in history would be wrong.

Case in point: admitted roid user Jeremy Giambi.

Look at all the wonderful things those growth hormones have done for him. Do we deny him his place in history also?

[khan]

Jeremy Giambi (like Ozzie Canseco) would have been a minor leaguer for life without the roids. He wasn't a Bonds caliber player to begin with.

Letting Bonds keep his records would be unfair to guys who had a similar (or greater) level of talent compared to Barry. You'd be spitting in the face of guys like Aaron, Ruth, Willie Mays and Griffey Jr. (assuming they didn't juice and I'm not talking about the guy with the hairy eyebrows kind of juicing) whose records (and career numbers in the case of Junior) were eclipsed by a guy using an unfair advantage.

Example: I could not beat the US Women's swimming team even if I juiced but the Chinese Women's swimming team COULD beat them if they juiced and might not if they (the Chinese team) did not juice.

You have to compare apples to apples, or in your case dark cola to dark cola (not dark cola to the clear stuff).

[rainman]

You and your pro-Oakland, anti-SF mind set.

[khan]

bingo

[rainman]

Admittedly, I am no expert on steroids and their effects on the human body. So seriously, what are the benefits that a ballplayer reaps from using them? One would think strength for sure but after reading this article (right out of Portland,Deke) I'm not even sure if that is a recognizable result of usage.

Does anyone know for sure the proven facts (not talking about the side effects) of steroid use in baseball players?

[khan]

not baseball-specific but.....

--increase in muscle size and strength

--shorter recovery time

--increased fat burning

--increased energy levels during workouts

They do not lead to "faster bat speed" or a "better eye" but if you already have a quick bat and a good eye, you'll hammer the ball deeper with the increased strength.

[thejimmyst91]

To say that people like Bonds and Giambi should be banned for life for using steroids is the height of stupidity. It is honestly the dumbest thing I have ever heard of.

[dismaldream]

Originally posted by khan
not baseball-specific but.....

--increase in muscle size and strength

--shorter recovery time

--increased fat burning

--increased energy levels during workouts

They do not lead to "faster bat speed" or a "better eye" but if you already have a quick bat and a good eye, you'll hammer the ball deeper with the increased strength.

plus they keep or bat hard ...sorry, wrong drug.

[dismaldream]

Originally posted by thejimmyst91
To say that people like Bonds and Giambi should be banned for life for using steroids is the height of stupidity. It is honestly the dumbest thing I have ever heard of.

repeat offenders get banned. steroids is a drug isnt it?
a banned, illegal substance.

i would hate to see bonds be banned from the Hall.

But the sport must be protected. the Hall must stay true.

It would take Selig some HUGE BALLS to ban Bonds.

[dismaldream]

btw,

i dont agree with the the "arrangement" MLB has w/ the Players Association regarding the policy that players found w/ steriods in their body will result in a warning that will not be publicized for 1st and 2nd offense.

i say F THAT!

The consequences for this kind of **** must be more severe.

while I realize Baseball is Entertainment, and thus its Stars protected, Baseball is also a source of our heros.

Man, when I was little, I loved the way guys like dykstra and pete rose played. even rex hudler!

they played thier hearts out.

if a player is willing to compromise the integrity of the game, let him face the decision of the fans.

NO MORE WARNINGS!

[cartman00000001]

Originally posted by paige1814
It wasn't illegal to use steroids in Baseball.

The point is moot. Steriods is illegal, period. With THE LAW. That superseeds what baseball thinks is wrong.