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    Pete gets into the HALL

    During the Superbowl Half time ... I'm lovin' it.
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    Re: Pete gets into the HALL

    Was the best Super Bowl commercial!

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    Re: Pete gets into the HALL

    Good commercial, but I wonder if it might actually hurt him with MLB.

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    Hahahahahahahha. It's titled "Perspective".... in a ironic way? Right?... Right?

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    Re: Pete gets into the HALL

    Wait...Pete Rose went to prison? For life?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alloutwar View Post
    Wait...Pete Rose went to prison? For life?!?
    LOL .. Really?? you don't get it??

    The first 3 people Injured, Assaulted and Stole from other citizens in our "society" and were considered to have paid back in Seven Years ... lol

    But Pete bets on baseball games but never threw one game (and that is why the rule was created, for throwing the 1919 WS) and is banned for life. When the Reds and commissions knew he had been doing it for over 20 years. It was only after Pete was no longer a UNION ballplayer and became manager that they had the balls to nail him.

    So, with a lifetime ban ... does this mean once he dies (ie his life time is over) then they will induct him?? btw ... why didn't they throw out his record along with him .. because that is as stupid as them banning him.

    btw .. I wonder how Hank Aaron feels about Barry Bond screwing him out of the all time Home Run record, knowing now that Bond's did it using drugs? How did Pete's betting screw up Baseball's stats and/or records?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete4256 View Post
    LOL .. Really?? you don't get it??

    The first 3 people Injured, Assaulted and Stole from other citizens in our "society" and were considered to have paid back in Seven Years ... lol
    Yes, being barred from Major League Baseball is equivalent to being in prison.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete4256 View Post
    (and that is why the rule was created)
    No, it's not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete4256 View Post
    So, with a lifetime ban ... does this mean once he dies (ie his life time is over) then they will induct him?? btw ... why didn't they throw out his record along with him .. because that is as stupid as them banning him.
    Because you can't erase reality. You can disassociate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete4256 View Post
    btw .. I wonder how Hank Aaron feels about Barry Bond screwing him out of the all time Home Run record, knowing now that Bond's did it using drugs? How did Pete's betting screw up Baseball's stats and/or records?
    If you think Pete Rose didn't take drugs during his career, then... lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete4256 View Post
    lol .. Really?? You don't get it??

    The first 3 people injured, assaulted and stole from other citizens in our "society" and were considered to have paid back in seven years ... Lol

    but pete bets on baseball games but never threw one game (and that is why the rule was created, for throwing the 1919 ws) and is banned for life. When the reds and commissions knew he had been doing it for over 20 years. It was only after pete was no longer a union ballplayer and became manager that they had the balls to nail him.

    So, with a lifetime ban ... Does this mean once he dies (ie his life time is over) then they will induct him?? Btw ... Why didn't they throw out his record along with him .. Because that is as stupid as them banning him.

    Btw .. i wonder how hank aaron feels about barry bond screwing him out of the all time home run record, knowing now that bond's did it using drugs? How did pete's betting screw up baseball's stats and/or records?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    Yes, being barred from Major League Baseball is equivalent to being in prison. .
    Stealing millions of dollars is only worth 7 years of hard time to today's progressive society. Yet Baseball thinks simply breaking "RULE 21" is a lifetime ban.
    Pete never took a bribe or threw a ballgame, he just broke "RULE 21". Most such people have been reinstated a few years later by a later Commissioner of Baseball. For instance, Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays were both banned from baseball in 1983 after breaking "RULE 21" for taking jobs as casino greeters, (which would have expelled them from the Hall of Fame had it been allowed to stand); they were reinstated two years later. Only Rose has yet to be reinstated.

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    No, it's not.
    Time for a History lesson, I see:
    The "Black Sox" baseball betting scandal was aconspiracy between a group of players and gamblers which led to the Chicago White Sox deliberately losing the 1919 World Series. In September 1920, a Grand Jury was convened to investigate, which resulted in the banning of the eight involved players, and a new commissioner and strict rules prohibiting gambling were introduced

    The brains behind this conspiracy were White Sox first baseman Chick Gandil and Joseph "Sport" Sullivan, a professional gambler of his acquaintance. During the 1919 baseball season the Chicago White Sox had shown themselves to be the best team in the leagues and, having clinched the American League pennant, were installed as the bookmaker's favorites to defeat the Cincinnati Reds in the Series. At the time, gambling on baseball was rife and there were many stories about fixed games during the regular season, which were typically ignored by team owners and administrators .

    Gandil enlisted seven of his teammates, motivated by a mixture of greed and a dislike of penurious club owner Charles Comiskey, to implement the fix. The seven were the starting pitchers Eddie Cicotte and Claude "Lefty" Williams, outfielders Shoeless Joe Jackson and Oscar "Happy" Felsch, and infielders Swede Risberg, Buck Weaver and Fred McMullin. Sullivan and his two associates Bill Burns and Billy Maharg, somewhat out of their depth, approached the wealthy New York gambler Arnold Rothstein to provide the money for the players, who were promised a total of $100,000.

    The rule against gambling in baseball is known as "Rule 21," which is publicly posted on dugout walls and states: "Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever on any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible." People permanently banned from Major League Baseball are also forever banned from entry into the Baseball Hall of Fame.

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    Because you can't erase reality. You can disassociate.
    I suppose you can try, but you look pretty stupid doing it ... lol

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    If you think Pete Rose didn't take drugs during his career, then... lol.
    Now you're sounding you're like a progress liberal and making up stuff that might have happened. (ie Global Ice Age/ Global Warming/Global Change .. whatever the caught of the day is as it changes daily these days).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete4256 View Post
    Stealing millions of dollars is only worth 7 years of hard time to today's progressive society. Yet Baseball thinks simple breaking "RULE 21" is a lifetime ban.
    Stop comparing a private organization's rules and regulations to the laws of our justice system. They are two separate institutions, with different reasonings behind their rules and regulations, and different goals when it comes to sentencing violations of those rules and regulations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete4256 View Post
    Pete never took a bribe or threw a ballgame, he just broke "RULE 21". Most such people have been reinstated a few years later by a later Commissioner of Baseball. (For instance, Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays were both banned from baseball in 1983 after breaking "RULE 21" for taking jobs as casino greeters (which would have expelled them from the Hall of Fame had it been allowed to stand); they were reinstated two years later. Only Rose has yet to be reinstated.
    There's a vast, vast, difference between literally betting on baseball games and working as a casino greeter. You quoted "Rule 21" yourself - read it and then tell me how Mantle and Mays broke it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete4256 View Post
    The rule against gambling in baseball is known as "Rule 21," which is publicly posted on dugout walls and states: "Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever on any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible." People permanently banned from Major League Baseball are also forever banned from entry into the Baseball Hall of Fame.
    I'm well aware of the Chicago Black Sox. The rule, however, wasn't created solely to punish those that throw ballgames. If it was, then it would have been worded as such. It was created and intended to prevent and punish all gambling of baseball employees and players on baseball games. It doesn't matter if those players are only betting on themselves to win and never throw a game. The rule is still intended to punish such actions. Baseball can not afford any appearance of impropriety, and allowing players to consort with gamblers of any sort is a bad idea.


    Quote Originally Posted by Pete4256 View Post
    Now you're sounding you're like a progress liberal and making up stuff that might have happened. (ie Global Ice Age/ Global Warming/Global Change .. whatever the caught of the day is as it changes daily these days).
    Pete Rose has literally admitted that he took performance-enhancing drugs during his career. I'm not making anything up.

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    MAJOR LEAGUE RULES
    Rule 21
    MISCONDUCT

    (a) MISCONDUCT IN PLAYING BASEBALL.
    Any player or person connected with a club who shall promise or agree to lose, or to attempt to lose, or to fail to give his best efforts towards the winning of any baseball game with which he is or may be in any way concerned; or who shall intentionally fail to give his best efforts towards the winning of any such baseball game, or who shall solicit or attempt to induce any player or person connected with a club to lose, or attempt to lose, or to fail to give his best efforts towards the winning of any baseball game with which such other player or person is or may be in any way connected; or who, being solicited by any person, shall fail to inform his Major League President and the Commissioner.

    (b) GIFT FOR DEFEATING COMPETING CLUB.
    Any player or person connected with a club who shall offer or give any gift or reward to a player or person connected with another club for services rendered or supposed to be or to have been rendered in defeating or attempting to defeat a competing club, and any player or person connected with a club who shall solicit or accept from a player connected with another club any gifts or reward for any such services rendered, or supposed to have been rendered, or who having been offered any such gift or reward, shall fail to inform his League President or the Commissioner immediately of such offer, and of all facts and circumstances therewith, shall be declared ineligible for not less than three (3) years.

    (c) GIFTS TO UMPIRES
    Any player or person connected with a club, who shall give, or offer to give, any gift or reward to an umpire for services rendered, or supposed to be or to have been rendered, in defeating or attempting to defeat a competing club, or for the umpire's decision on anything connected with the playing of a baseball game; and any umpire who shall render, or promise or agree to render, any such decision otherwise than on its merits, or who shall solicit or accept such gifts or reward, or having been solicited to render any such decision otherwise than on its merits, shall fail to inform the League President or the Commissioner immediately of such offer or solicitation, and all facts and circumstances therewith, shall be declared permanently ineligible.

    (d) BETTING ON BALL GAMES.
    Any player, umpire, or club official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has no duty to perform shall be declared ineligible for one year.

    Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.

    (e) VIOLENCE OR MISCONDUCT IN INTERLEAGUE GAMES.
    In case of any physical attack or other violence upon an umpire by a player, or by an umpire upon a player, or of other misconduct by an umpire or a player, during or in connection with any interleague Major League game or any exhibition game of a Major League Club with a club or team not a member of the same league,the Commissioner shall impose upon the offender or offenders such fine,suspension, ineligibility or other penalty, as the facts may warrant in the judgement of the Commissioner.

    (f) OTHER MISCONDUCT.
    Nothing herein contained shall be construed as exclusively defining or otherwise limiting acts, transactions, practices or conduct not to be in the best interests of Baseball; and any and all other acts, transactions, practices or conduct not to be in the best interests of Baseball are prohibited and shall be subject to such penalties, including permanent ineligibility, as the facts in the particular case may warrant.

    (g) RULE TO BE KEPT POSTED.
    A printed copy of this Rule shall be kept posted in each clubhouse.

    The rule was created because of the 1919 WS scandal and has been amended over the years. Above is the current rule as best as I could find.


    Pete broke item D and Mantle and Mays broke F. Item D says something about ONE year ... go figure .. lol
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    Now you are going to have to find me a Pete Rose quote where he claimed he took performance enhancing drugs. I know I have seen a video interview where he speakes about it and says he never cheated by using those kind of drugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete4256 View Post
    Pete broke item D and Mantle and Mays broke F. Item D says something about ONE year ... go figure .. lol[/B]
    I think it's pretty clear that item F is pretty discretional, and that MLB wisely used their discretion to differentiate between something that obviously harms the integrity of the game, and something that obviously doesn't.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pete4256 View Post
    Now you are going to have to find me a Pete Rose quote where he claimed he took performance enhancing drugs. I know I have seen a video interview where he speakes about it and says he never cheated by using those kind of drugs.
    http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Oct...terman,00.html

    He admitted to taking amphetamines. Just because he doesn't want to admit that they are performance-enhancing, and just because he wants to somehow draw a line between himself using illegal drugs that aren't expressly prohibited by the MLB and players from a different era doing the same thing doesn't change the fact that he did use performance-enhancing drugs.

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    Gotta love how the liberal flip flops! He has said in the past he believes Pete Rose should be in the HOF but now he seems to support the lifetime ban.

    He has gone out of his way to disparage Fox News as untrustworthy every chance he gets, but now he is posting articles from Fox News to support his blasphemous claims. LOL typically liberal.

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