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    USADA to strip Lance Armstrong of 7 Tour titles

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/lance-a...5351--spt.html

    So Armstrong has decided to not appeal the USADA's decision, so therefor he has been stripped of his 7 Tour de France titles. This was his statement on the issue.

    ''There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, ''Enough is enough.'' For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in winning my seven Tours since 1999. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a two-year federal criminal investigation followed by Travis Tygart's unconstitutional witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for our foundation and on me leads me to where I am today - finished with this nonsense.

    I had hoped that a federal court would stop USADA's charade. Although the court was sympathetic to my concerns and recognized the many improprieties and deficiencies in USADA's motives, its conduct, and its process, the court ultimately decided that it could not intervene.

    If I thought for one moment that by participating in USADA's process, I could confront these allegations in a fair setting and - once and for all - put these charges to rest, I would jump at the chance. But I refuse to participate in a process that is so one-sided and unfair. Regardless of what Travis Tygart says, there is zero physical evidence to support his outlandish and heinous claims. The only physical evidence here is the hundreds of controls I have passed with flying colors. I made myself available around the clock and around the world. In-competition. Out of competition. Blood. Urine. Whatever they asked for I provided. What is the point of all this testing if, in the end, USADA will not stand by it?

    From the beginning, however, this investigation has not been about learning the truth or cleaning up cycling, but about punishing me at all costs. I am a retired cyclist, yet USADA has lodged charges over 17 years old despite its own 8-year limitation. As respected organizations such as UCI and USA Cycling have made clear, USADA lacks jurisdiction even to bring these charges. The international bodies governing cycling have ordered USADA to stop, have given notice that no one should participate in USADA's improper proceedings, and have made it clear the pronouncements by USADA that it has banned people for life or stripped them of their accomplishments are made without authority. And as many others, including USADA's own arbitrators, have found, there is nothing even remotely fair about its process. USADA has broken the law, turned its back on its own rules, and stiff-armed those who have tried to persuade USADA to honor its obligations. At every turn, USADA has played the role of a bully, threatening everyone in its way and challenging the good faith of anyone who questions its motives or its methods, all at U.S. taxpayers' expense. For the last two months, USADA has endlessly repeated the mantra that there should be a single set of rules, applicable to all, but they have arrogantly refused to practice what they preach. On top of all that, USADA has allegedly made deals with other riders that circumvent their own rules as long as they said I cheated. Many of those riders continue to race today.

    The bottom line is I played by the rules that were put in place by the UCI, WADA and USADA when I raced. The idea that athletes can be convicted today without positive A and B samples, under the same rules and procedures that apply to athletes with positive tests, perverts the system and creates a process where any begrudged ex-teammate can open a USADA case out of spite or for personal gain or a cheating cyclist can cut a sweetheart deal for themselves. It's an unfair approach, applied selectively, in opposition to all the rules. It's just not right.

    USADA cannot assert control of a professional international sport and attempt to strip my seven Tour de France titles. I know who won those seven Tours, my teammates know who won those seven Tours, and everyone I competed against knows who won those seven Tours. We all raced together. For three weeks over the same roads, the same mountains, and against all the weather and elements that we had to confront. There were no shortcuts, there was no special treatment. The same courses, the same rules. The toughest event in the world where the strongest man wins. Nobody can ever change that. Especially not Travis Tygart.

    Today I turn the page. I will no longer address this issue, regardless of the circumstances. I will commit myself to the work I began before ever winning a single Tour de France title: serving people and families affected by cancer, especially those in underserved communities. This October, my Foundation will celebrate 15 years of service to cancer survivors and the milestone of raising nearly $500 million. We have a lot of work to do and I'm looking forward to an end to this pointless distraction. I have a responsibility to all those who have stepped forward to devote their time and energy to the cancer cause. I will not stop fighting for that mission. Going forward, I am going to devote myself to raising my five beautiful (and energetic) kids, fighting cancer, and attempting to be the fittest 40-year old on the planet.''
    So what do you think? Did he cheat?

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    I think he did, but I don't care. I don't care because I don't like cycling. I don't care because he has done a lot of great things raising money towards cancer research.
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    Cycling is such a dicked-up sport. They're all dirty.
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    I'm of the opinion Lance doped. I'm happy he got stripped of the titles he cheated others out of; he would set off my creep radar nonstop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LQ1Z34 View Post
    I'm of the opinion Lance doped. I'm happy he got stripped of the titles he cheated others out of; he would set off my creep radar nonstop.
    Thing is, though, that the next guys in line for all seven of those titles are also dirty. It's hard to say Lance cheated anyone out of anything when all of these guys are doping.
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    Re: USADA to strip Lance Armstrong of 7 Tour titles

    You got me there. It's a cluster for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LQ1Z34 View Post
    he would set off my creep radar nonstop.
    I personally think the cheated too, but I wouldn't say he was a creep. He's done a lot of work raising money for cancer research and the like. He may be an ******* IRL, but the public face he's put on seems likable enough. Besides, I'm for letting adults do to their bodies what they want, so the cheating doesn't bother me (and I actually only consider it cheating if he were to modify his bike or spike the drinks of the other riders anyway). Also like others have said, it's kinda like complaining about Roger Clemens using PEDs to face Jose Canseco!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Thing is, though, that the next guys in line for all seven of those titles are also dirty. It's hard to say Lance cheated anyone out of anything when all of these guys are doping.
    really? all the bicyclists in those races tested positive? i mean, i'd hate to see people accused of roiding without any positive tests of factual evidence

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    Quote Originally Posted by dickay View Post
    really? all the bicyclists in those races tested positive? i mean, i'd hate to see people accused of roiding without any positive tests of factual evidence
    Nice pwnage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dickay View Post
    really? all the bicyclists in those races tested positive? i mean, i'd hate to see people accused of roiding without any positive tests of factual evidence
    You mean like Lance?

    http://www.sfgate.com/business/bloom...by-3813909.php

    Jan Ullrich banned from racing for doping, Alexander Vinokourov and Tyler Hamilton as well.

    Nearly every single runner up to Lance in his 7 titles was caught doping at one point, that's what Kobie was saying. So no, he didn't pwn anyone. Yes I'm sure the guy who got 37th would have won if Lance didn't dope...

    In fact, if you entered the 2003 Tour De France you are now a fourth place finisher in the 2003 Tour de France.

    This sport has a broken system of doping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dickay View Post
    really? all the bicyclists in those races tested positive? i mean, i'd hate to see people accused of roiding without any positive tests of factual evidence
    Swing and a miss
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    Yeah I need a Winn-Dixie grocery bag full of money right next to the VIP section...

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    Re: USADA to strip Lance Armstrong of 7 Tour titles

    Quote Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989 View Post
    You mean like Lance?

    http://www.sfgate.com/business/bloom...by-3813909.php

    Jan Ullrich banned from racing for doping, Alexander Vinokourov and Tyler Hamilton as well.

    Nearly every single runner up to Lance in his 7 titles was caught doping at one point, that's what Kobie was saying. So no, he didn't pwn anyone. Yes I'm sure the guy who got 37th would have won if Lance didn't dope...

    In fact, if you entered the 2003 Tour De France you are now a fourth place finisher in the 2003 Tour de France.

    This sport has a broken system of doping.
    hey, or maybe even someone between the runner up (in the years where the runner up was guilty of doping) and 37th?

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    Re: USADA to strip Lance Armstrong of 7 Tour titles

    Quote Originally Posted by dickay View Post
    hey, or maybe even someone between the runner up (in the years where the runner up was guilty of doping) and 37th?
    You mean like third?

    Everyone after 1999 that finished third has been implicated in a doping scandal.

    Just google doping scandals in cycling and you'll realize the point your trying to make is weak. Maybe theres one or two that finished top ten that hasn't been implicated in the 7 championships.

    The sport is so riddled in drug scandals throw a dart at the Tour you'll hit someone who doped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dickay View Post
    really? all the bicyclists in those races tested positive? i mean, i'd hate to see people accused of roiding without any positive tests of factual evidence
    Hi, my name's dickay and I'm pedantic.

    Do you know what the word "hyperbole" means? No, not EVERY SINGLE TOUR DE FRANCE RIDER TESTED POSITIVE. However, a staggering number of these guys have. Hey, you're the guy who always presumes guilt on potential juicers. Any reason you're not here, except to take a shot at me?

    Back to ignore with ye.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Hi, my name's dickay and I'm pedantic.

    Do you know what the word "hyperbole" means? No, not EVERY SINGLE TOUR DE FRANCE RIDER TESTED POSITIVE. However, a staggering number of these guys have. Hey, you're the guy who always presumes guilt on potential juicers. Any reason you're not here, except to take a shot at me?

    Back to ignore with ye.
    You calling someone else out for being hyperolic?! LOLZ!! Funniest thing!!

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