The OFFICIALLY OFFICIAL Fantasy Sports General Chat Thread®

[HoustonGM]

couldn't disagree more with this. fantasy leagues should let teams operate freely providing it's not obvious collusion. too many times i've seen the league veto a trade claiming it unfair and it turned out it was opposite how the league felt. People should be allowed to take chances, it's their team.

"Collusive" to me implies...colluding. A team can decide to tank and trade its best players for little return without colluding, but that still shouldn't be allowed.

[asianinvasion]

Is it time to cut bait with Lincecum? I've got Cliff Lee, Greinke, Cain, McDonald, Vogelsong and Miley so I'm not hurting on pitching.
Would you sell him for pennies on the dollar or even straight out cut him or just bench him hoping he turns it around?

[Kobie]

I'm going to keep beating the Kipnis drum here. ESPN has him ranked as the 5th best player OVERALL in fantasy so far. Yahoo has him ranked 6th.

How on earth do these numbers make him the fifth best fantasy player in baseball? I don't get that.

[HoustonGM]

How on earth do these numbers make him the fifth best fantasy player in baseball? I don't get that.

He's fifth in runs, 17th in RBI, 7th in SB, 53rd in avg, 41st in HR. Combine that with both positional scarcity and stat scarcity (SB are more valuable), and he's been one of the top guys overall.

[dickay]

"Collusive" to me implies...colluding. A team can decide to tank and trade its best players for little return without colluding, but that still shouldn't be allowed.

obviously someone giving up and trying to make a mockery of the league shouldn't be allowed either. this wasn't nearly that though....and not letting those kind of trades go through just because you think they are unfair is bs.

[dickay]

Is it time to cut bait with Lincecum? I've got Cliff Lee, Greinke, Cain, McDonald, Vogelsong and Miley so I'm not hurting on pitching.
Would you sell him for pennies on the dollar or even straight out cut him or just bench him hoping he turns it around?

i'd keep him. i wouldn't give up on him yet...

[etothep]

Keeper league or just a straight re-draft after every season league?

[asianinvasion]

Keeper league or just a straight re-draft after every season league?

Regular league. No Keepers

[etothep]

My bad,m my keeper or regular league question was in regard to dickay's trade

If you can find someone willing to trade for lincecum, then unload him. 1 QS in 13 GS? No signs of really turning things around. Only league I have him in is the weird one where I have to keep 5 Giants players. Tired of starting him & having to count on my other pitchers to off-set the damage he does, so he's gonna be wasting a bench spot for me while I hope he can turn it around next season

[haveacigar]

obviously someone giving up and trying to make a mockery of the league shouldn't be allowed either. this wasn't nearly that though....and not letting those kind of trades go through just because you think they are unfair is bs.

Yeah but a "veto for collusion only" policy doesn't work on its own, because how are you supposed to know if something is collusion? It's not like you can read anyone's mind when they make a trade. The only evidence you have of collusion is whether the trade is reasonable.

[haveacigar]

My bad,m my keeper or regular league question was in regard to dickay's trade

If you can find someone willing to trade for lincecum, then unload him. 1 QS in 13 GS? No signs of really turning things around. Only league I have him in is the weird one where I have to keep 5 Giants players. Tired of starting him & having to count on my other pitchers to off-set the damage he does, so he's gonna be wasting a bench spot for me while I hope he can turn it around next season

Well I'm trying to trade you Vogelsong, doofus.

[dickay]

Yeah but a "veto for collusion only" policy doesn't work on its own, because how are you supposed to know if something is collusion? It's not like you can read anyone's mind when they make a trade. The only evidence you have of collusion is whether the trade is reasonable.

it should be glaringly obvious that it's collusive or as said a ridiculous trade made to make a mockery. this trade was nowheres near that upon further investigation. if the two involved can explain their position, whether or not anyone thinks its "fair" shouldn't matter providing its not one of the aforementioned. As has been stated, it's perfectly possible that Morse/Kipnis will outperform Pujols/Lee the remainder of the year. It's also possible a team could be loaded at 1B and pitching and want to get some OF/2B help. If one team can sell another on making this type of trade...more power to them.

[dickay]

Keeper league or just a straight re-draft after every season league?

this deal was in my pay league, which is year to year no keepers. alot of debate, and originally i was like WTF....but after i heard from both owners and thought about it more I don't think it's near the type of trade that should be vetoed. It's certainly IMO a dumb deal for the team dealing Pujols/Lee....but i've seen many of these type trades that ended up going the other way. It's not outlandish or collusive. What made it fishy off the bat was that the team dealing Pujols is the last place team. But it's clear he hasn't given up and is not trying to make a mockery of the league out of spite.

[haveacigar]

There'd have to be a really severe case of 2B deficiency to make that trade reasonable. I can see why Kipnis would be considered valuable (clearly MichelleWie loves him some Kipnis), but the Morse angle is nonsense.

But hey, if you think the owners are being reasonable, go for it.

[HoustonGM]

obviously someone giving up and trying to make a mockery of the league shouldn't be allowed either. this wasn't nearly that though....and not letting those kind of trades go through just because you think they are unfair is bs.

Trading two of the top players in the game with a long track record of top fantasy performances for a rookie and a guy with one good year in his career coming off an injury sounds exactly like somebody giving up.

As has been stated, it's perfectly possible that Morse/Kipnis will outperform Pujols/Lee the remainder of the year.

Just because it's "possible" doesn't mean that it's reasonable.