Is the Maturity of this Board costing Mogul customers?

[etothep]

The other forum's font/background scheme hurts my eyes

you should have seen the all white version [no racist]

[BINGLEBOP]

I imagine McPhale's real reason for leaving mogul is not the boards. Who honestly chooses a game based on the maturity of it's players when you are in no way forced to interact with them? Douchebags probably play Pac-Man all the time, I still love it. Mogul boards are opt-in, you don't have to play to join them and you don't need them to play.

Exactly... in his first paragraph, he clearly explained that he likes OOTP's capabilities better. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I don't recall him posting much in the "Extra Talk" forums anyway. He was far from a regular there. If somebody likes or dislikes Baseball Mogul, the maturity (or lack thereof) won't cause them to stop playing the game. "Josh" or FTB/RSR don't make me enjoy the game any less. I can just log off and play the game.

There's a reason that "more mature forums" are not one of the selling points for Baseball Mogul 2011, and additions like unretiring players, improved trade AI, customizable playoff lengths, etc., actually are. Because nobody cares at all about the forums when they're buying the game.

As I've stated before, the majority of the people who purchase Baseball or Football Mogul do not use the forums. We seem to be forgetting that we're in the "minority" sometimes.

As of right now, there are 15,958 registered members on this forum. The majority of them to not post here with any sort of frequency, and many of them are no longer active. I don't think that a small handful of people who dislike the "maturity of the forum" is a calamity that Clay and Dee have to worry about. If it was, there would be an outcry all over the internet about it, instead of one thread on another forum where people who already purchased Baseball Mogul state their respective reasons for not participating in the forum as much, and they make perfect sense. The forum is an optional supplement to the game. You don't need to participate in the forums to enjoy playing Baseball Mogul.

not trying to cover anything up, it was being discussed the other day in the what are you thinking about thread, if the childish behavior of this forum is costing dee and clay customers....so i asked the converts, and am sharing the information.

I don't see how it's remotely possible. The only reason somebody wouldn't buy the game is because they didn't like the game, or because OOTP was better. That's completely normal. If somebody loves Mogul or OOTP, Metsguy annoying them isn't going to make them want to play the game any more or less.

Maybe spend less time on the forum, but that's natural. Most people post on multiple forums anyway. There are millions and millions of sites on the internet for everybody to post on... including one that Yours Truly made where people can post on more if they really want.

I believe that simply because there are enough posters such as you saying something about this should at least raise an eyebrow to dee and clay, especially if it is being said elsewhere.

Clay and Dee are the only ones with access to the only numbers that matter... their bottom line. They know how many copies of the game they've sold, and if not, they likely have a good idea why, and it's not because of four or five people acting like idiots on the forum. It'll be because somebody didn't get their "most requested feature" of having aliens invade PBP games or something lame. If there were "enough posters" who didn't purchase the game, that's one thing, but if a few of them don't like the forums, that doesn't matter.

it's really hard to ignore them, but sometimes, it's for the best. Something I need to improve in personally.

I think everybody that complains about it needs to improve on that, but it's natural. It's the same reason why somebody says they hate ESPN's coverage of the Yankees and Red Sox, but they can't stay away from clicking on articles about them, watching them on TV, and so on. You feel like you're missing out on something if you don't watch from a distance. With any problem posters or forums that somebody doesn't like, they need to exhibit self-control and either put them on ignore (just a couple clicks) or not visit that forum.

you are not helping... I for one would just get rid of the "Extra talk" sections on this board and make is strictly about the games

I'd be completely against that and I think that probably would result in more people leaving the forums than whoever may leave due to immaturity.

Agreed with HGM. If it was that big of a deal (which it's not), they could just move the Sports Mogul forums to the top and move the "Extra Talk" sections down, but they'll never get rid of those forums, nor should they.

I don't really the think immaturity would drive anyone away. The only thing that would drive people away is if people talk about OOTP being better than Mogul.

What Benfink said. I like Mogul for its speed, but sometimes I want the features of OOTP. OOTP is just the better game in terms of how much things you can do.

Also, if you think a thread's bad, don't read it.

If you're not buying a game because of you don't like the forum.....that's pretty weak. I am a recent "convert" to OOTP and it ain't got sh*t to do with the forum....

Someone who doesn't buy a game because of the forums is also likely not to buy the game because they don't agree with the shade of red in the title.

+1 for each of those posts. It's OK to like OOTP better than Baseball Mogul, but there's no need to pretend it's because of a small handful of people on the extra forums that have nothing to do with the game. It's because of OOTP's advanced features, 40 man rosters, and all of that extra stuff. Everybody knows that.

[guidi2009]

I would bet that the increasing mention of ootp on these boards have much more of an impact....way more.

[BINGLEBOP]

I would bet that the increasing mention of ootp on these boards have much more of an impact....way more.

Agreed 100%. I never heard of OOTP until I began visiting these forums.

That would be a bigger reason why Clay and Dee don't bother with the forums as much, because they want to make the game better and more comparable to OOTP.

[Jeffy25]

for what it's worth, I was not buying into the idea that the maturity here had anything to do with a theory of diminished sales (if one even exists)....but we were discussing it the other night, I asked the other forum where some converts exist, and shared the results.

Personally, I don't visit any other forums with any regularity like I do here....so even if the maturity is an issue in my own personal opinion, it obviously has not deterred me enough from visiting.

[BINGLEBOP]

Personally, I don't visit any other forums with any regularity like I do here....so even if the maturity is an issue in my own personal opinion, it obviously has not deterred me enough from visiting.

Agreed.

I think we'll start to see people being blocked more often now. Then, it'll be just like they're banned, since nobody will see or respond to them.

[haveacigar]

Clay should start starring out OOTP on the boards so they can't get the free advertising.

[ewing6]

Clay should start starring out OOTP on the boards so they can't get the free advertising.

agreed

[Josh123123123]

clay should start starring out ootp on the boards so they can't get the free advertising.

+2

[boomboom]

+2

josh it is +1....not +2.

Anyway, I don't like the maturity of the boards. I think that certain board members need to be banned for trolling...kind of like in every poll that is bumped. Josh always jumps in and says, I didn't bump this....even if we were not thinking he was...he just seems like a troll to me. I think thou, having so much time invested in this game, time spent on the forum as a moderator (before Ohms and HGM)... and after... I feel kind of sad where this forum has gone...for an offline game, the forums are not that important. I think thou, this forum should be about Mogul, maybe adding some more subforums about the game would be a good idea. Even thou I suggest early on (moving talk sports to the top), maybe off-topic needs to be moved down. Did you guys know in OOTP, you have to opt-in to read the topic forum because it became such a problem...? Maybe that is what needs to happen here. I do think that we do need moderators to at least control the board a little bit more. I would be happy to do it again. I am sure that HGM feels the same way.

[Jeffy25]

josh it is +1....not +2.

Anyway, I don't like the maturity of the boards. I think that certain board members need to be banned for trolling...kind of like in every poll that is bumped. Josh always jumps in and says, I didn't bump this....even if we were not thinking he was...he just seems like a troll to me. I think thou, having so much time invested in this game, time spent on the forum as a moderator (before Ohms and HGM)... and after... I feel kind of sad where this forum has gone...for an offline game, the forums are not that important. I think thou, this forum should be about Mogul, maybe adding some more subforums about the game would be a good idea. Even thou I suggest early on (moving talk sports to the top), maybe off-topic needs to be moved down. Did you guys know in OOTP, you have to opt-in to read the topic forum because it became such a problem...? Maybe that is what needs to happen here. I do think that we do need moderators to at least control the board a little bit more. I would be happy to do it again. I am sure that HGM feels the same way.

While reading that post, I kept seeing even thou

as literally saying even thou, as though it's Shakespeare....instead of even though.

[ewing6]

While reading that post, I kept seeing even thou

as literally saying even thou, as though it's Shakespeare....instead of even though.

I wonder who started talking about OOTP and doing dynastyies with

[boomboom]

While reading that post, I kept seeing even thou

as literally saying even thou, as though it's Shakespeare....instead of even though.

hey thanks, I never realized that.

[boomboom]

Count me as another defector from Mogul to OOTP. When I first played Mogul (the first text-based baseball sim I've played, to be honest), I enjoyed it... for awhile.

Then one of Jeffy25's dynasties on the Mogul Board caught my attention, since he used OOTP X. I decided to give OOTP 8 a try (since it was free), wound up buying X, and now XI. So you can blame Jeffy25 for this one.

There's something wrong with a game when you need a mod-maker to create programs that give you basic stat splits, amongst other things. And the boards... well, I'll just point to the above comments. This place is better in every conceivable way.

Seen the light, ain't going back.

Maybe your dynasties should be on the OOTP website Jeffy, don't you think?

[BenFink]

OOTP dynasties and Jeffy's (and maybe others, I don't recall) professing of the greatest of OOTP over mogul has done more damage than Josh or Metsguy ever could.