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Thread: 13.02 Rookie of the Year bias against pitchers

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    13.02 Rookie of the Year bias against pitchers

    I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this before, multiple times, but I believe that the AI for the Rookie of the Year is heavily biased AGAINST pitchers.

    Here are two previous threads of mine regarding the RotY AI:

    http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?t=160368
    http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?t=184163

    I haven't done much testing yet with 2011, but the single season simulator ran 100 times for the 2010 season came up with a pitcher winning the ROTY 5 times. That's 200 awards handed out - 100 in each league - and only 5 times did it go to a pitcher (and it was Wade Davis each time).

    Now, as far as I understand it, pitchers do win less than position players in real life, and I think that's right - there's 8 other positions to contend with, so of course position players should win the majority of the time. And, furthermore, this is just a resimming of a single year, so it's plausible that the rookie pitcher class just sucks...but it still seems off that there was only 5 instances of a pitcher winning the award.... I'd think Stephen Strasburg would've won at least once!

    The threads I linked to above have further and more detailed examples of pitchers losing out to clearly inferior position players. This sim just adds more evidence to the case.

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    Re: 13.02 Rookie of the Year bias against pitchers

    who f'n cares

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    Re: 13.02 Rookie of the Year bias against pitchers

    Quote Originally Posted by hobey3 View Post
    who f'n cares
    The idea is for the game to be realistic as possible, and a bias against pitchers is not realistic
    Gooo Angels!

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    Re: 13.02 Rookie of the Year bias against pitchers

    Quote Originally Posted by hobey3 View Post
    who f'n cares
    lol. Anywho, I've got a 1000 season sim with HGM's 'beta' rosters going right now. Should have the results up at some point later today.

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    Re: 13.02 Rookie of the Year bias against pitchers

    Quote Originally Posted by hobey3 View Post
    who f'n cares
    Uh. :\ lol

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    Re: 13.02 Rookie of the Year bias against pitchers

    740 season sim. 35 pitchers win the ROTY - Wade Davis 32 times, Jon Niese twice, Stephen Strasburg once and Scott Elbert once.

    So, 2.3% of the time, a pitcher won the RotY. Seems terribly low. In real life, for the history of the award, pitchers have won about 20-25% of the time.

    Yes, again, this is just one season so the percentage shouldn't match up exactly to real life, because the list of candidates change every year in real life, so I will run multiyear tests eventually.

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    Re: 13.02 Rookie of the Year bias against pitchers

    While I agree the default settings should provide more accurate results, this issue can be somewhat corrected by adjusting the awards.ini correct? I use the following settings in 2010 and see more pitching ROY winners. This file also adjusts MVP awards and I do see the rare SP winning it as well.

    Pitcher,105
    Catcher,100
    First Baseman,100
    Second Baseman,94
    Third Baseman,100
    Shortstop,98
    Left Fielder,100
    Center Fielder,100
    Right Fielder,100
    Designated Hitter,90
    I saw Andre Dawson. And let me tell you something. There were only two players in my lifetime whose teammates held them in awe. One was Mickey Mantle. The other was Andre Dawson. If you were around, if you saw them play, you know that. But the numbers don't tell you that.
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    Re: 13.02 Rookie of the Year bias against pitchers

    I did forget about the awards.ini setting, and I'll try to adjust that and see what happens, but you're right that it increases the MVP as well, so I still think that the AI should be adjusted.

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    Re: 13.02 Rookie of the Year bias against pitchers

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    I did forget about the awards.ini setting, and I'll try to adjust that and see what happens, but you're right that it increases the MVP as well, so I still think that the AI should be adjusted.
    Perhaps the best solution would be to split the awards.ini file into one for ROY and one for MVP--that way we as individuals have complete control over how the awards are dealt out.
    I saw Andre Dawson. And let me tell you something. There were only two players in my lifetime whose teammates held them in awe. One was Mickey Mantle. The other was Andre Dawson. If you were around, if you saw them play, you know that. But the numbers don't tell you that.
    - Jerome Holtzman


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    Re: 13.02 Rookie of the Year bias against pitchers

    ROY used to always be biased TOWARDS 2B and SS....who batted .240.

    I never thought to switch the .ini file until now.

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    Re: 13.02 Rookie of the Year bias against pitchers

    Quote Originally Posted by cfeedback View Post
    Perhaps the best solution would be to split the awards.ini file into one for ROY and one for MVP--that way we as individuals have complete control over how the awards are dealt out.
    THIS is a good idea

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    Re: 13.02 Rookie of the Year bias against pitchers

    Yes, I agree with splitting the files.

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    Re: 13.02 Rookie of the Year bias against pitchers

    a thread with the word bias in it, and nothing is said by or about yami.


    and pitchers should win ROY's....so there!

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    Re: 13.02 Rookie of the Year bias against pitchers

    Adjusting Awards.ini didn't seem to help. I made pitchers 115, and still, after a 100 year sim, only 1 of the 200 ROTY's given out went to a pitcher.

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    Re: 13.02 Rookie of the Year bias against pitchers

    Atleast its not baised against Rockies.
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