Sabr style Lineups

[Jeffy25]

There have been some arguments on another forum about where particular players should bat in a lineup.

Including me saying Albert should bat cleanup behind Holliday for a marginal increase in runs scored over the course of the season.

So I poised these made up numbers. Tell me what order you would put these guys in a lineup.

.240/305/410
.290/320/525
.300/360/410
.275/400/400
.320/390/550
.255/310/600
.220/290/400
.250/340/420
.265/300/400

For this hypothetical, we do not know anyone's speed.

[Jeffy25]

This is the order that I created

7. - .240/305/410
5. - .290/320/525
1. - .300/360/410
2. - .275/400/400
3. - .320/390/550
4. - .255/310/600
9. - .220/290/400
6. - .250/340/420
8. - .265/300/400


But the number 9 hitter is awfully difficult to place, I maybe would swap 8 and 9, depending on speed of course.

And not so sure about one and two as well.

[Josh123123123]

there have been some arguments on another forum about where particular players should bat in a lineup.

Including me saying albert should bat cleanup behind holliday for a marginal increase in runs scored over the course of the season.

So i poised these made up numbers. Tell me what order you would put these guys in a lineup.

.240/305/410 -1
.290/320/525 -2
.300/360/410
.275/400/400
.320/390/550
.255/310/600
.220/290/400
.250/340/420
.265/300/400

for this hypothetical, we do not know anyone's speed.

.275/400/400 - 1 looks like a guy who get on base alot
.290/320/525 - looks more like a contact/get on base guy
.320/390/550 - 3 looks like the rbi type and can drive in runs
.300/360/410 - 4 looks like a pretty good hitter
.265/300/400 - 5 well
.255/310/600 - 6 well
.250/340/420 - 7 well
.240/305/410 - 8 well
.220/290/400 - 9 why is this guy even on the team???

[gosensgo101]

1 - .275/400/400
2 - .300/360/410
3 - .320/390/550
4 - .290/320/525
5 - .255/310/600
6 - .250/340/420
7 - .240/305/410
8 - .265/300/400
9 - .220/290/400

[Jeffy25]

.275/400/400
.290/320/525
.320/390/550
.300/360/410
.265/300/400
.255/310/600
.250/340/420
.240/305/410
.220/290/400

seriously?

[BM4308]

.275/400/400 Best OBP, least power. Should lead off
.300/360/410 Good OBP, not much power
.320/390/550 Best hitter needs to have the best OBP on in front of him
.255/310/600 Best power, needs to have runner on for his home runs
.290/320/525 Best hitter left
.250/340/420 Best hitter left
.240/305/410 Best hitter left
.220/290/400 since the #3 hitter is the best hitter, I don't want the worst guy 9th
.265/300/400 I'd rather have this guy 9th

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[200tang]

That's an easy lineup to make. Try this one.

.213/.289/.326 [.615]
.251/.347/.520 [.867]
.272/.303/.463 [.766]
.250/.278/.330 [.609]
.265/.304/.379 [.683]
.213/.271/.355 [.625]
.283/.339/.425 [.764]
.352/.386/.465 [.851]
.214/.324/.411 [.735]

[haveacigar]

.275/400/400 - 1 looks like a guy who get on base alot
.290/320/525 - looks more like a contact/get on base guy
.320/390/550 - 3 looks like the rbi type and can drive in runs
.300/360/410 - 4 looks like a pretty good hitter
.265/300/400 - 5 well
.255/310/600 - 6 well
.250/340/420 - 7 well
.240/305/410 - 8 well
.220/290/400 - 9 why is this guy even on the team???

Your cleanup hitter has an ISO of .110, and your #2 hitter has an ISO of .235....

How the F is someone slugging .525 with a .320 OBP considered a "contact/get on base guy"?? That's like, the opposite, man.

[haveacigar]

.240/305/410
.290/320/525
.300/360/410
.275/400/400
.320/390/550
.255/310/600
.220/290/400
.250/340/420
.265/300/400

300/360/410 (power in the leadoff spot is a waste)
275/400/400 (more power, still good hitter, likely to get at least one of the first 2 on base)
290/320/525 (someone who will hit runners in or hit himself a home run if no one is on)
320/390/500 (best hitter = cleanup)
255/310/600 (lots of XBH)
250/340/420 (descending from here)
240/305/410
265/300/400
220/290/400

[Jeffy25]

That's an easy lineup to make. Try this one.

.213/.289/.326 [.615]
.251/.347/.520 [.867]
.272/.303/.463 [.766]
.250/.278/.330 [.609]
.265/.304/.379 [.683]
.213/.271/.355 [.625]
.283/.339/.425 [.764]
.352/.386/.465 [.851]
.214/.324/.411 [.735]

Yeah, I sort of just made up numbers generally without thinking too much...now on to your lineup.










(difficult to decide)

I had some difficult situations here, of course, lefty righty splits and of course speed....but I would probably do something like this:

1. - .265/.304/.379 [.683]
2. - .283/.339/.425 [.764]
3. - .352/.386/.465 [.851]
4. - .251/.347/.520 [.867]
5. - .272/.303/.463 [.766]
6. - .214/.324/.411 [.735]
7. - .213/.271/.355 [.625]
8. - .250/.278/.330 [.609]
9. - .213/.289/.326 [.615]

[200tang]

This is the optimal lineup, by the way.

1. .352/.386/.465 [.851]
2. .251/.347/.520 [.867]
3. .272/.303/.463 [.766]
4. .283/.339/.425 [.764]
5. .214/.324/.411 [.735]
6. .250/.278/.330 [.609]
7. .265/.304/.379 [.683]
8. .213/.289/.326 [.615]
9. .213/.271/.355 [.625]

[BM4308]

That's an easy lineup to make. Try this one.

.283/.339/.425 [.764]
.214/.324/.411 [.735]
.352/.386/.465 [.851]
.251/.347/.520 [.867]
.272/.303/.463 [.766]
.265/.304/.379 [.683]
.213/.271/.355 [.625]
.250/.278/.330 [.609]
.213/.289/.326 [.615]

That wasn't too much fun. It's easier if you start with the #9 guy and work up. Maybe I'd even lead off with 3, but I don't like those OBP for the 7-9 guys

[BenFink]

.275/400/400 - 1
.320/390/550 - 2
.300/360/410 - 3
.255/310/600 - 4
.290/320/525 - 5
.250/340/420 - 6
.240/305/410 - 7
.265/300/400 - 8
.220/290/400 - 9

[Jeffy25]

This is the optimal lineup, by the way.

1. .352/.386/.465 [.851]
2. .251/.347/.520 [.867]
3. .272/.303/.463 [.766]
4. .283/.339/.425 [.764]
5. .214/.324/.411 [.735]
6. .250/.278/.330 [.609]
7. .265/.304/.379 [.683]
8. .213/.289/.326 [.615]
9. .213/.271/.355 [.625]

why? bc of p.a.s?

[200tang]

why? bc of p.a.s?

http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2010/1.../power-and-obp

read that and you'll get a better understanding. That lineup is going to make a LOT of outs, and when you get down to that many outs it's extremely important to squeeze every last run out of it, hence why you have Ichiro hitting first and Branyan hitting second to get as many home runs as you can.