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[HoustonGM]

Where did MichelleWie say anything whatsoever about the hall of fame?

BABBLE BABBLE. Not illegal in MLB. BABBLE BABBLE BABBLE. Greenies. BABBLE BABBLE BABBLE. Spit Ballers. BABBLE BABBLE BABBLE. Bud Selig. BABBLE BABBLE BABBLE. Ty Cobb. BABBLE BABBLE BABBLE

All topics that are commonly brought up when debating steroid users entering the Hall of Fame, and not brought up when debating what drugs should be banned.

nah, not with me anyway....been there done that. i'm not feeding lol.

Yeah. I don't agree with you, so I'm trolling. Clearly.

[HoustonGM]

Also:

because nobody has ever said that HGH "used alone" will provide performance enhancement

Really? Nobody? Ever? Every single person that calls HGH a performance-enhancing drug is implying that it is only beneficial if used with other drugs? Not one of them means that HGH itself is a performance-enhancing drug? No. I think it's rather clear that many people believe that HGH, itself, is a performance-enhancing drug.

(Disclaimer: If you're talking specifically about nobody on these forums, than maybe you're right.)

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Really? Nobody? Ever? Every single person that calls HGH a performance-enhancing drug is implying that it is only beneficial if used with other drugs? Not one of them means that HGH itself is a performance-enhancing drug? No. I think it's rather clear that many people believe that HGH, itself, is a performance-enhancing drug.

Thats not clear at all. You appear to be speculating, or dare I say putting words into peoples mouths. The latter isn't likely because you never do that.

HGH is a banned substance. Not because its use alone is a performance enhancer but because its use is commonly associated with steroid usage. Thats where the benefits of the drug come from. The only people who view HGH alone as a performance enhancer are the ill-informed. Regardless, all that is moot. The point regarding your consistently bringing up tests that show HGH is not performance enhancing is the issue. Its highly misleading and irrelevant, because HGH ALONE IS NOT THE CONCERN OF MLB. The use of HGH alone is not being done. It makes little to no sense to anyone familiar with the biological affects of the drug.

Again to make it stupid simple. Talking about tests that "prove" HGH is not performance enhancing is misleading and irrelevant, because its not HGH alone that is MLB's concern. HGH is for lack of a better term, an amplifyer. Used with other drugs / concoctions / roids....it can provide significant benefits and helps players maintain while they cycle off other anabolic steroids. Find a test that studies that, and bring that to the table as that is what would be relevant to the discussion.

[HoustonGM]

The only people who view HGH alone as a performance enhancer are the ill-informed.

So...uh...many people. Yep.

(And, it's not putting words into anybody's mouth. If someone says "HGH is a performance enhancer." the default interpretation is not to add "when used with other performance-enhancing drugs...possibly" to their statement. )

The use of HGH alone is not being done.

You should stop speaking in absolutes.

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nice deflection and avoidance of the issue.

ok, i'm done.

[HoustonGM]

nice deflection and avoidance of the issue.

ok, i'm done.

There's nothing more to say on the overall issue... hence, I didn't respond to the overall issue, but rather pointed something out that you said that I believe is absolutely false.