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    Yankee Stadium park factor

    So, remember all that talk about Yankee Stadium being a hitter's haven and all?

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor

    It is true that Yankee Stadium is fantastic for home runs (the best in the majors)...but it limited doubles and triples to a great extent and actually comes out overall as a PITCHER'S park, with a run park factor of 0.965 (1 = average, >1 favors hitters, <1 favors pitchers).

    Baseball-Reference's park factors agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    So, remember all that talk about Yankee Stadium being a hitter's haven and all?

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor

    It is true that Yankee Stadium is fantastic for home runs (the best in the majors)...but it limited doubles and triples to a great extent and actually comes out overall as a PITCHER'S park, with a run park factor of 0.965 (1 = average, >1 favors hitters, <1 favors pitchers).

    Baseball-Reference's park factors agree.
    how many of those extra HR's would've been doubles or triples? Does the fact that the Yankees really didn't have alot of team speed get figured in? After all, that plays a part in doubles and triple. Why is walks included in park factor??????????????? Maybe it has something to do with foul territory? Seems weird that Fenway would be amongst the lowest in walks with the Sox passive approach and such little in play foul territory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dickay View Post
    how many of those extra HR's would've been doubles or triples?
    No idea...but some of them would've been outs, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    No idea...but some of them would've been outs, too.
    did you miss the rest of my post...i kind of added on afterward. Curious to hear your opinions believe it or not.

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    I did miss it.

    Quote Originally Posted by dickay View Post
    Does the fact that the Yankees really didn't have alot of team speed get figured in? After all, that plays a part in doubles and triple.
    Park factors are figured by comparing how teams did at that stadium to how they did on the road, so the makeup of a team isn't relevant, since it's compared to their own aggregate road stats. If a slow team doesn't get many triples, but they have a much lower rate at home than they do on the road, that indicates a below average park factor for triples.

    Quote Originally Posted by dickay
    Why is walks included in park factor??????????????? Maybe it has something to do with foul territory? Seems weird that Fenway would be amongst the lowest in walks with the Sox passive approach and such little in play foul territory.
    Like I said above, it's just comparing the rate at home to the rate on the road, so you can do it with any stat from home runs to sacrifice bunts. Just eyeballing it, the walk park factor bounces around a lot more than the other stats from year to year, indicating that there's a lot of noise and much stock shouldn't be placed in it. There's a variety of factors that could affect that though, such as the batter's eye, foul territory as you mentioned, etc.

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    Re: Yankee Stadium park factor

    Also, this should all come with the stipulation that even for home runs and overall run environment, one year park factors do fluctuate a decent amount. They tell you how the park played that year, but three year park factors are best for assessing how a park will actually play going forward (and, obviously, we only have one year of data for new Yankee Stadium).

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    Park factors are figured by comparing how teams did at that stadium to how they did on the road, so the makeup of a team isn't relevant, since it's compared to their own aggregate road stats. If a slow team doesn't get many triples, but they have a much lower rate at home than they do on the road, that indicates a below average park factor for triples.
    That kind of scews it a bit if doubles and triples in other parks become HR's in Yankee Stadium. It just shocks me, a claim that its not a hitters park but is a pitchers park. The HR's are up...which kind of explains why the doubles and triples will be lower, ESPECIALLY if you're factoring in a road/home split where the home team is far and away the biggest HR park in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dickay View Post
    That kind of scews it a bit if doubles and triples in other parks become HR's in Yankee Stadium. It just shocks me, a claim that its not a hitters park but is a pitchers park. The HR's are up...which kind of explains why the doubles and triples will be lower, ESPECIALLY if you're factoring in a road/home split where the home team is far and away the biggest HR park in the game.
    The HR's being up does partially explain the lower doubles and triples, but not entirely.

    Also, it being a pitcher's park and not a hitter's park is not a claim. The Yankees scored runs at a higher rate on the road than they did at a home.

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    Also, the HR's being up may have basically no effect on the doubles/triples. There's no way to really tell. If you look at the other major HR parks - Coors Field, Chase Field, Rangers Ballpark, and such - they often also show positive park factors for doubles and triples. Although, others like Wrigley and U.S. Cellular display similar effects as Yankee Stadium. It's not as simple as "More flyballs turn into homers, thus less are doubles and triples."

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    Wow I'm surprised to see miller Park at 27th. I always thought of it as a hitters park. Interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichelleWie View Post
    Wow I'm surprised to see miller Park at 27th. I always thought of it as a hitters park. Interesting.
    It was average for the entire 2005-2007 period, favored pitchers in 2008 and slightly more in 2009. I'd say, using an aggregate, it's fair to call it a slight pitcher's park.

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    Ok after checking, that must be kinda flukish. As I see for the most part in previous year they have been right around the middle. With the high at 11 and low at 23.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    Also, this should all come with the stipulation that even for home runs and overall run environment, one year park factors do fluctuate a decent amount. They tell you how the park played that year, but three year park factors are best for assessing how a park will actually play going forward (and, obviously, we only have one year of data for new Yankee Stadium).
    Makes me wonder how much a place like Wrigley much fluctuate, because some seasons the wind just blows more than others.

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    Re: Yankee Stadium park factor

    wild to see the Cleveland is the least for homers.

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