It's open for debate
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It's open for debate
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Please define "Greatest".....
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Yes, though Albert Pujols has a chance to pass him. No one else is particularly close except maybe Jimmie Foxx.
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As of now yes, that could change within a few years though(Pujols)
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Someone debated me on this earlier....I want to know if anyone honestly thinks otherwise.
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Who else is in the conversation besides Hornsby, Pujols and Foxx?Originally Posted by Jeffy25
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He said Hank Aaron and Manny Ramirez.
I think not.
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Aaron's greatness was in that he was incredible for so long, but he was only sporadically the best hitter in his league, while Hornsby completely dominated the NL in the 1920's. Hornsby led the league in OPS+ 12 times, with 4 seasons of 200 or better. Aaron led the league 3 times with a high of 194. While he did play in a larger league (thus, harder to lead the league), he still just wasn't as dominant as Hornsby. Aaron's greatness comes from him consistently being in the top 3 or 4 of his league offensively for nearly 20 years, which of course is a damn impressive feat and he's without a doubt one of the greatest players of all time.
Aaron does slightly outrank Hornsby in terms of batting runs at 880 to 859, but that's because of 4000 or so more plate appearances, so Aaron has a case for having accumulated the most offensive value over his career among right-handed hitters, but any reasonable evaluation would incorporate peak as well as career value (for example, Ted Lyons had more overall career value than Sandy Koufax, but nobody would rank Lyons ahead of Koufax).
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To sum up my argument:
I said that Aaron played forever basically, and that has a lot to do with why he is the home run king, the man has 3700 hits etc.
But playing a long time gives you those kinds of career numbers. He was great, not Hornsby great.
Hornsby averaged a .400 average for 4 seasons!
Hornsby was beastly, and if not for Ruth, would have been the greatest hitter possibly in the 20's.
Ramirez, def not!
He isn't even close to being right....But I honestly don't think he was thinking very deeply.
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Nick Punto.
That is all.
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Nah he's right. Gerald Laird is a close second though.
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While I don't think he's even at Pujols' level, let alone Hornsby's, I would hate to see this thread go without an Edgar Martinez mention.
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For a lead role in a cage
Just to get some names out there:
Code:Rk Player OPS+ PA From To 1 Rogers Hornsby 175 9475 1915 1937 2 Albert Pujols 172 6082 2001 2009 3 Jimmie Foxx 163 9670 1925 1945 4 Mark McGwire 162 7660 1986 2001 5 Hank Greenberg 158 6096 1930 1947 6 Frank Thomas 156 10074 1990 2008 7 Dick Allen 156 7314 1963 1977 8 Willie Mays 156 12493 1951 1973 9 Manny Ramirez 155 9437 1993 2009 10 Hank Aaron 155 13940 1954 1976 11 Joe DiMaggio 155 7671 1936 1951 12 Frank Robinson 154 11743 1956 1976 13 Honus Wagner 152 9640 1901 1917 14 Gavvy Cravath 151 4645 1908 1920 15 Nap Lajoie 151 8256 1901 1916 16 Jeff Bagwell 149 9431 1991 2005 17 Ralph Kiner 149 6256 1946 1955 18 Harry Heilmann 148 8960 1914 1932 19 Alex Rodriguez 147 9611 1994 2009 20 Edgar Martinez 147 8672 1987 2004 21 Mike Schmidt 147 10062 1972 1989 22 Vlad Guerrero 145 7826 1996 2009 23 Hack Wilson 144 5556 1923 1934 24 Albert Belle 143 6673 1989 2000 25 H. Killebrew 143 9831 1954 1975
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