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    Re: 2005 Chicago White Sox = Team of the decade?

    Hmm, well if we are going by Playoff performance we would be. I personally would go with the 2009 Yankees just on a sight test, they certainly were the scariest team of the decade. I'd put the 2004 Red Sox second since their postseason was a little more in doubt being so close to elimination...ChiSox third for the playoff run.. I didn't really look at stats here, just my off the top of the head opinion.

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    If you're looking for the "best" team of the decade, sentimentality shouldn't be a factor whatsoever.
    It depends entirely upon how one is evaluating. Unlike "greatest hitter" which in reference to baseball unambiguously evaluates who is the greatest at hitting a baseball...when asked which is the best team, leaves it entirely ambiguous. Does the "best team" mean the one that provided the most offense, defense, excitement, wins, drama, championships?

    I can assume he means which was the most talented team, or the most dominant team, and both could lead to good discussion. But those assumptions could be wrong, he could mean by saying "best" that the 05 White Sox provided the most assortment of all the evaluation methods, or the most dramatic, or exciting. All in this instance would be correct because unlike the question, "who is the greatest hitter", "which team is the best" does not provide a clear evaluator.

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    2008 Brewers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dickay View Post
    It depends entirely upon how one is evaluating. Unlike "greatest hitter" which in reference to baseball unambiguously evaluates who is the greatest at hitting a baseball...when asked which is the best team, leaves it entirely ambiguous. Does the "best team" mean the one that provided the most offense, defense, excitement, wins, drama, championships?

    I can assume he means which was the most talented team, or the most dominant team, and both could lead to good discussion. But those assumptions could be wrong, he could mean by saying "best" that the 05 White Sox provided the most assortment of all the evaluation methods, or the most dramatic, or exciting. All in this instance would be correct because unlike the question, "who is the greatest hitter", "which team is the best" does not provide a clear evaluator.


    Unlike you, I don't see much of a difference between "greatest" and "best." They both can be interpreted in different ways. Neither is 100% unambiguous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post


    Unlike you, I don't see much of a difference between "greatest" and "best." They both can be interpreted in different ways. Neither is 100% unambiguous.
    don't put words into my mouth. I don't see any difference between the word "greatest" and "best". I do not however refuse to make different definitions for the term "hitter" which is very unambiguous. I can do this too

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    Quote Originally Posted by dickay View Post
    don't put words into my mouth. I don't see any difference between the word "greatest" and "best". I do not however refuse to make different definitions for the term "hitter" which is very unambiguous. I can do this too
    "Hitter" is not unambiguous. Once again, it can mean "ability/talent at hitting" or "value from hitting."

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    Seriously the 2001 Diamondbacks is the team I would take in this discussion. You had an MVP candidate in Luis Gonzalez, and I would take Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling together anyday of the week. That was the scariest 1,2.

    Its pretty tough to statistically compare everything, but this is the team I would go with out of all of them.
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    2008 Brewers.

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    2001 Baltimore Orioles. After that, it's all went downhill.
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    Re: 2005 Chicago White Sox = Team of the decade?

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    "Hitter" is not unambiguous. Once again, it can mean "ability/talent at hitting" or "value from hitting."
    Actually, I believe it is defined as "Ripken, Jr., Calvin Edwin".
    "Tonight I stand here, overwhelmed, as my name is linked with the great and courageous Lou Gehrig. I'm truly humbled to have our names spoken in the same breath. This year has been unbelievable. I've been cheered in ballparks all over the country. People not only showed me their kindness, but more importantly, they demonstrated their love of the game of baseball. I give my thanks to baseball fans everywhere. Tonight, I want to make sure you know how I feel. As I grew up here, I not only had dreams of being a big league ballplayer, but also of being a Baltimore Oriole. For all of your support over the years, I want to thank you, the fans of Baltimore, from the bottom of my heart. This is the greatest place to play."

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    Re: 2005 Chicago White Sox = Team of the decade?

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    "Hitter" is not unambiguous. Once again, it can mean "ability/talent at hitting" or "value from hitting."
    agree to disagree. Greatest hitter is the one who is the best at hitting a baseball (and not just contact..can't believe i have to say that). Value from hitting is irrelevant as the best hitter will provide the most value. Of course, value from hitting is relevant to the others in the leagues performance and value. Thus Babe Ruth was the best hitter of his time, and Bonds was the best of his time, which so happens to be a time where hitters are far more advanced/talented/etc. Bonds is the better hitter. Ruth was the more dominant hitter as his competition at the time was more inferior. He was the most dominant offensive player of all time, the most dominant hitter of alltime. Not the greatest hitter of alltime, by a long shot.

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    You love arguing semantics, don't you? If the best hitter will provide the most value, and greatest and best mean the same thing, than wouldn't the greatest hitter provide the most value? lol. You're twisting yourself in circles to disagree with me instead of just accepting the fact that there are multiple ways to evaluate players and it depends on what you're measuring (talent or value) and just because you prefer one way doesn't mean it's the only possible way... and you're even dragging it into other threads now. Incredible.

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