12:12 Finance Bug - Wrong Payroll Number Used [Fixed BB2K11]

[filihok]

I've been harping on Mogul's finances for a while now.

http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?t=185241

http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showpos...45&postcount=6

http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?t=199948

http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?t=195310

http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthr...=195290&page=3

Because something is wrong. I'm open to the possibility that it is me. I'd actually like it to be me because if it were it'd be a lot easier to fix.

EVERY TIME I play a season my end of year profits are around 10 times as high as they should be. I'm pretty diligent in my accounting, (noting when I change my expense levels, keeping track of changes in payroll) so I don't know what the problem is. Since the financial reporting in Mogul is so shoddy (see the third link above) I really can't figure out what the problem is.

One thing I can easily identify, though, is that mogul uses the wrong amount when computing payroll expense.

In the following example the Yankees payroll is $217,868,600 a year. Since Mogul pays salary on a per game basis that should mean that $1,333,095 are paid each game. But that amount IS NOT used.

In the left-hand column of the chart below are the Revenue and Expenses calculations for the first away game of the season. Revenue was $816,209. Expenses based on $10 million each for Scouting, Farm and Medical and a payroll of $217,868,600 were $1,530,053.

Cash was set to $0 to begin the season and after the first game cash/profit should be -$713,844. Looking at the screen shot below, you can see that cash was actually -$702,070.

On the right side of the chart I used payroll as $215,961,390 (as listed on the Expenses dialogue (even thought that is absolutely NOT THE RIGHT NUMBER). This reduced daily expenses to $1,518,280 which leads to the correct profit/cash amount of -$702,070.

Clearly, Mogul is using the wrong number for payroll which leads to increased profits for every team, for every season, for every user who plays the game.

I'm 99% sure that there is even more to the problem than this as this doesn't explain why my profits are routinely overstated by 10's of millions of dollars.

I really hope that Clay addresses this problem because it is pretty glaring, IMO.

[Clay Dreslough]

First, I see the problem posted here -- I really appreciate the detail and the screen shots. Those are large differences between the payroll number on the right and the one in the dialog box, and I'm working to find the problem.

However, this thread seems to only show a small differnce ($215M versus $217M) -- one that I thought was explained by the 161/162 problem. Is this right? Or are there still two different bugs?

Thanks,

Clay

[filihok]

These were done using 12.12 which I thought had the 161/162 thing fixed. I'm pretty sure that I verified that expenses were deducted after the 162 game.

Also 215,XXX,XXX / 217,XXX,XXX=.9912 while 161/162 = .9938 so I think this is something different.

This post is only one game into the season. You can see in the other post that the difference seems to get worse as the season progresses.

I've also wondered if it has something to do with moving players between levels or putting players on the DL.

If I just sim through a season the differences seem to be smaller than if I play a season and promote, DL, trade, sign, etc players. I haven't been able to figure out what changes make the difference there.

Thanks for taking the time to look into this.

[filihok]

FIXED BB2K11

Sweet!!!!!