Albert Pujols wins NL MVP unanimously

[Jeffy25]

hahaha, that's funny.

sorry MG, funny though.

[metsguy234]

i have never heard him called Pinney.....and i have watched him for two and a half years.

It's a nickname I made up just now.

[HoustonGM]

i have never heard him called Pinney.....and i have watched him for two and a half years.

Nobody calls John Lackey "J-Lackz" either. Metsguy just enjoys making up stupid nicknames that only he uses.

[Jeffy25]

Jeffy, im sure you watched a lot of Cardinals games this year, did they ever refer to Joel Pineiro as Pinny?

never


that i recall at least.

[metsguy234]

and pitching is so much more valuable than a strike out, homer hitting first basemen. Much less an incredible starting pitcher.

Howard could give us value every day. Santana could give us value once every 5 days. The difference is clear to me IMO.

[ragecage]

never


that i recall at least.

laughter with an inserted WTF ensues.

[ewing6]

Uh....

John Maine? Mike Pelfrey? Oliver Perez?

Yeah, they're certainly some of the top pitchers in the league.

you forgot pat mistch, tim redding, and whatever bum they sign this year

[HoustonGM]

Howard could give us value every day. Santana could give us value once every 5 days. The difference is clear to me IMO.

This is the most tired and incorrect statement bandied about that is technically true. Yes, starters only pitch every 5 days...but they have a much greater impact on the games that they do play in. In fact, a starter who plays all year will have more plate appearances against him than an everyday player that plays all year will make. Being an everyday player does not make you more valuable than every starting pitcher.

Adam Everett can give you value every day, too, but would you take him over Johan Santana?

[Jeffy25]

Howard could give us value every day. Santana could give us value once every 5 days. The difference is clear to me IMO.

I know you are joking, even you know that logic doesn't work.

Santana gives you value on every pitch every 5th day. Howard gets 20 at bats every 5th day.

[ewing6]

This is the most tired and incorrect statement bandied about that is technically true. Yes, starters only pitch every 5 days...but they have a much greater impact on the games that they do play in. In fact, a starter who plays all year will have more plate appearances against him than an everyday player that plays all year will make. Being an everyday player does not make you more valuable than every starting pitcher.

Adam Everett can give you value every day, too, but would you take him over Johan Santana?

Yeah he can play defense and is kinda fast. Johan can only play defense once every five days

[metsguy234]

I know you are joking, even you know that logic doesn't work.

Santana gives you value on every pitch every 5th day. Howard gets 20 at bats every 5th day.

So Santana has equal value if he pitches 6 2/3 innings. That's hardly a given.

[HoustonGM]

So Santana has equal value if he pitches 6 2/3 innings. That's hardly a given.

Uh, no, not necessarily how that works.

Also, Santana averaged nearly exactly 6.2 innings per start in 2009. More than that in 2008.

[metsguy234]

I was wrong. Now that I think about it, we could easily get a free-agent 1B or something, so we don't need to trade Santana to get Howard. It was a silly idea.

[HoustonGM]

I was wrong. Now that I think about it, we could easily get a free-agent 1B or something, so we don't need to trade Santana to get Howard. It was a silly idea.

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