NL Cy Young Winner is...................

[HoustonGM]

How many first overall picks have had valuable careers?

A rod and griffey and a small number of others?

It's just fun to watch.

WAR.

Did not make majors:
Steve Chilcott
Brien Taylor

< 0 - 10 WAR:
Ron Blomberg
Tim Foli
Mike Ivie
Danny Goodwin (was selected 1st overall twice 1971 and 1975)
Dave Roberts
David Clyde
Bill Almon
Al Chambers
Paul Wilson
Shawn Abner
Matt Anderson
Shawon Dunston

10.1 - 20 WAR:
Jeff Burroughs
Jeff King
Phil Nevin
Kris Benson
Ben McDonald

20.1 - 30 WAR:
Floyd Bannister
Bob Horner
Mike Moore
Darin Erstad
Tim Belcher

30.1 - 40 WAR:
Harold Baines
B.J. Surhoff
Andy Benes

40.1 - 50 WAR:
Daryl Strawberry

70.1 - 80 WAR:
Chipper Jones
Ken Griffey, Jr.

90+ WAR:
Alex Rodriguez

I didn't list the following guys above because they're still playing and it's too early to really put them anywhere:

Adrian Gonzalez
Pat Burrell
Josh Hamilton
Joe Mauer
Justin Upton
Tim Beckham
David Price
Luke Hochevar
Delmon Young
Brian Bullington
Stephen Strasburg
Matthew Bush

[HoustonGM]

http://www.mercurynews.com/sports/ci_13828847

I laughed my ass off at this part:

Whichever, apparently it was this new-age criteria that put Lincecum over the top. It inspired two voters to omit Carpenter entirely from their ballots. One of them, ESPN.com’s Keith Law, defended his position with a treatise which ended, “As for the win total of each pitcher: I ignored that, because, as I’ve said for years, it tells us nothing useful about how well the pitcher performed.”

Yes, you read that correctly. No doubt we can look forward to the day when some cipher jockey reviews the 1968 season, in which 31-game winner Denny McLain was the unanimous pick as the AL Cy Young. There he discovers, using statistical models such as FIP, VORP, THPPP and NYUK-NYUK-NYUK, that Baltimore’s Tom Phoebus actually had a vastly superior season.

Didn't even bother to read the rest. The amount of idiocy and ignorance packed into that excerpt is just absolutely hilarious.

But alas, Tim Lincecum's NYUK-NYUK-NYUK rules the day!

[ragecage]

So basically his point is that ignorance is bliss?

[200tang]

So basically his point is that ignorance is bliss?

Sorry, you root for the A's, anything you say is invalid. Stupid Beane and his 'moneyball' ruined baseball by introducing stats like OBP and Nyuk-Nyuk-Nyuk.

Freakin' nerd.

[HoustonGM]

You forgot THPPP!!!

[ragecage]

Sorry, you root for the A's, anything you say is invalid. Stupid Beane and his 'moneyball' ruined baseball by introducing stats like OBP and Nyuk-Nyuk-Nyuk.

Freakin' nerd.

Why dont you go to Wala Wala.

[200tang]

Why dont you go to Wala Wala.

Is that some kind of nerd stat ? Maybe if you got your nose out of your spreadsheets you could get a job and move out of your mom's basement.

[HoustonGM]

Is that some kind of nerd stat ? Maybe if you got your nose out of your spreadsheets you could get a job and move out of your mom's basement.

And stop creating stats for the sole purpose of screwing up the Cy Young voting!!

[ragecage]

Is that some kind of nerd stat ? Maybe if you got your nose out of your spreadsheets you could get a job and move out of your mom's basement.

Well maybe if you didnt get rained on so much.....yeah I have nothing.

WAIT...

Youre a stupid face. Stupid face.

[Jeffy25]

WAR.

Did not make majors:
Steve Chilcott
Brien Taylor

< 0 - 10 WAR:
Ron Blomberg
Tim Foli
Mike Ivie
Danny Goodwin (was selected 1st overall twice 1971 and 1975)
Dave Roberts
David Clyde
Bill Almon
Al Chambers
Paul Wilson
Shawn Abner
Matt Anderson
Shawon Dunston

10.1 - 20 WAR:
Jeff Burroughs
Jeff King
Phil Nevin
Kris Benson
Ben McDonald

20.1 - 30 WAR:
Floyd Bannister
Bob Horner
Mike Moore
Darin Erstad
Tim Belcher

30.1 - 40 WAR:
Harold Baines
B.J. Surhoff
Andy Benes

40.1 - 50 WAR:
Daryl Strawberry

70.1 - 80 WAR:
Chipper Jones
Ken Griffey, Jr.

90+ WAR:
Alex Rodriguez

I didn't list the following guys above because they're still playing and it's too early to really put them anywhere:

Adrian Gonzalez
Pat Burrell
Josh Hamilton
Joe Mauer
Justin Upton
Tim Beckham
David Price
Luke Hochevar
Delmon Young
Brian Bullington
Stephen Strasburg
Matthew Bush

thanks for the breakdown, but maybe not use war for pitchers, but maybe something similiar?

[HoustonGM]

thanks for the breakdown, but maybe not use war for pitchers, but maybe something similiar?

That's not Fangraphs WAR. It's a different system.

[Jeffy25]

ic, the pitchers seemed properly placed so ya

[200tang]

One thing to keep in mind about first round picks is that a lot of guys fall out of the first round in to rounds 3-6 because of injuries or signability reasons, but are considered 1st round talents by most. A lot of first round guys are 'safe picks' meaning that they have a higher floor than the 'boom or bust' type picks later on.

Just this year we saw the Pirates take Tony Sanchez because his absolute floor was a backup catcher with a decent chance to be an above average catcher.

[OregonDuck1989]

Lincecum smokes pot what a bum!!!!

[Jeffy25]

I wish teams would quit worrying about the dollar amounts of signing players when determing who to pick. take the best talent. Worry about negotiating later, but get the best talent. You see teams like the royals and pirates pass on solid players because they are afraid of what the bonuses will be and then here we are free agent time, and they are going to spend more money on veteran players that can not help the team over the next several years.

at least with young talent you get them locked up for a minimal of 6 years.

i understand you don't want to pay over slot and you can't break the bank, but sometimes it's like....hey we don't want player A even though we are fairly certain he will become an big impact player because he is going to cost us 6 million to sign, so we will take player B who is a safer pick with not a high ceiling for 3 million.

but during free agency we will sign someone like Jose Guillen to ****ing 36 million.