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    Lots of teams passed on Lincecum b/c they feared he was a career-ending arm injury waiting to happen.
    My runs created per 27 posts (RC/27p) was 12.4 last year. I should've been MVP.

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    ya, his mechanics don't add up to stardom.

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    I guess I am more glad to not see Red Sox listed in that top 10, unless they were number 10.
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    And Mike Piazza was taken in the 62nd round (or something like that) by his brother's godfather's (Tommy Lasorda) team as a favour to his father. Who knew?

    EDIT: I guess that's the ultimate role model/revenge for anyone who was ever picked last in neighbourhood or schoolyard pick-up games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    ya, his mechanics don't add up to stardom.
    This isn't really true. His mechanics are just unique so teams are afraid. They've never seen anything like it before. There's nothing in his mechanics inherently that scared teams off and made them think he was an injury risk. It was just that it looked weird and nobody knew.

    Personally, I think his mechanics are a large part of his success and a significant factor in his health.

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    Well, here's the entire first round and compensation picks, to see who passed on who, as well as comparing progress between players the teams drafted.

    1) Luke Hochevar (Royals)
    2) Greg Reynolds (Rockies)
    3) Evan Longoria (Rays)
    4) Brad Lincoln (Pirates)
    5) Brandon Morrow (Mariners)
    6) Andrew Miller (Tigers)
    7) Clayton Kershaw (Dodgers)
    8) Drew Stubbs (Reds)
    9) Bill Rowell (Orioles)
    10) Tim Lincecum (Giants)
    11) Max Scherzer (Diamondbacks)
    12) Kasey Kiker (Rangers)
    13) Tyler Colvin (Cubs)
    14) Travis Snider (Blue Jays)
    15) Chris Marrero (Nationals)
    16) Jeremy Jeffress (Brewers)
    17) Matt Antonelli (Padres)
    18) Kyle Drabek (Phillies; compensation pick for Mets signing Billy Wagner)
    19) Brett Sinkbeil (Marlins)
    20) Chris Parmelee (Twins)
    21) Ian Kennedy (Yankees; compensation pick for Phillies signing Tom Gordon)
    22) Colton Willems (Nationals; compension pick for A's signing Esteban Loaiza)
    23) Maxwell Sapp (Astros)
    24) Cody Johnson (Braves)
    25) Hank Conger (Angels; compensation pick for Indians signing Paul Byrd)
    26) Bryan Morris (Dodgers; compensation pick for Angels signing Jeff Weaver)
    27) Jason Place (Red Sox)
    28) Daniel Bard (Red Sox; compensation pick for Yankees signing Johnny Damon)
    29) Kyle McCulloch (White Sox)
    30) Adam Ottavino (Cardinals)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    ya, his mechanics don't add up to stardom.
    What's not to love about his mechanics? His legs drive everything. Apparently Prior didn't use his legs enough, so his arm got overworked and look where he is now. He should've used those circus freak calves and quads more and maybe he would've survived. Of course, there's always the Dusty Baker factor to consider in his break-down. Sad, because he looked like something special coming out of USC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by actionjackson View Post
    What's not to love about his mechanics? His legs drive everything. Apparently Prior didn't use his legs enough, so his arm got overworked and look where he is now. He should've used those circus freak calves and quads more and maybe he would've survived. Of course, there's always the Dusty Baker factor to consider in his break-down. Sad, because he looked like something special coming out of USC.
    At the time, his mechanics were not loved. They are now.

    i could be wrong on this, but i thought as a prospect, people thought his size and mechanics might be an issue.

    I will teach my son to throw like lincey

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    Quote Originally Posted by yamiviet View Post
    iim agree they starting to stop being in love with the winners who makes playoff. what next in their list to be less corrputed or biased? gold glove would be another
    As HGM pointed out to me earlier this week, the Gold Gloves are still in the hands of the coaches, the managers and I think the players so that mess is on them, not the writers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    At the time, his mechanics were not loved. They are now.

    i could be wrong on this, but i thought as a prospect, people thought his size and mechanics might be an issue.
    Yes, teams thought that, because they never saw anything like it before. Scared of the unknown.

    Quote Originally Posted by actionjackson View Post
    As HGM pointed out to me earlier this week, the Gold Gloves are still in the hands of the coaches, the managers and I think the players so that mess is on them, not the writers.
    Just the coaches and managers

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    Quote Originally Posted by BINGLEBOP View Post
    Well, here's the entire first round and compensation picks, to see who passed on who, as well as comparing progress between players the teams drafted.

    1) Luke Hochevar (Royals)
    2) Greg Reynolds (Rockies)
    3) Evan Longoria (Rays)
    4) Brad Lincoln (Pirates)
    5) Brandon Morrow (Mariners)
    6) Andrew Miller (Tigers)
    7) Clayton Kershaw (Dodgers)
    8) Drew Stubbs (Reds)
    9) Bill Rowell (Orioles)
    10) Tim Lincecum (Giants)
    11) Max Scherzer (Diamondbacks)
    12) Kasey Kiker (Rangers)
    13) Tyler Colvin (Cubs)
    14) Travis Snider (Blue Jays)
    15) Chris Marrero (Nationals)
    16) Jeremy Jeffress (Brewers)
    17) Matt Antonelli (Padres)
    18) Kyle Drabek (Phillies; compensation pick for Mets signing Billy Wagner)
    19) Brett Sinkbeil (Marlins)
    20) Chris Parmelee (Twins)
    21) Ian Kennedy (Yankees; compensation pick for Phillies signing Tom Gordon)
    22) Colton Willems (Nationals; compension pick for A's signing Esteban Loaiza)
    23) Maxwell Sapp (Astros)
    24) Cody Johnson (Braves)
    25) Hank Conger (Angels; compensation pick for Indians signing Paul Byrd)
    26) Bryan Morris (Dodgers; compensation pick for Angels signing Jeff Weaver)
    27) Jason Place (Red Sox)
    28) Daniel Bard (Red Sox; compensation pick for Yankees signing Johnny Damon)
    29) Kyle McCulloch (White Sox)
    30) Adam Ottavino (Cardinals)
    I always like to look back at drafts.

    i do it a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    Just the coaches and managers
    Yes, I knew you'd be along to correct me and that's why I said I think the players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    I always like to look back at drafts.

    i do it a lot.
    Personally, I find that to be an exercise in self-flagellation and most people come to conclusions about players way to soon. I see it in comments sections everywhere. "Stupid GM X, should've taken player Y". Around here the hue and cry was "Why did J.P. take Ricky Romero ahead of Troy Tulowitzki." When Romero started off with a bang this year and Tulo was coming off a horrible 2008 and looked to be just as bad at the start of this year, it was "Troy who?". By the end of the year it was back to "Stupid J.P." Don't get me wrong I would much rather have Tulo, but it just shows to go you the insanity of fandom. We're still only 4 years removed from the Tulo/Romero draft. Patience grasshoppers. The results will be in in due time. To conclude anything about the 2006 draft (Reynolds/Lincecum/Snider etc) before 2011 isn't really fair to the late bloomers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by actionjackson View Post
    Personally, I find that to be an exercise in self-flagellation and most people come to conclusions about players way to soon. I see it in comments sections everywhere. "Stupid GM X, should've taken player Y". Around here the hue and cry was "Why did J.P. take Ricky Romero ahead of Troy Tulowitzki." When Romero started off with a bang this year and Tulo was coming off a horrible 2008 and looked to be just as bad at the start of this year, it was "Troy who?". By the end of the year it was back to "Stupid J.P." Don't get me wrong I would much rather have Tulo, but it just shows to go you the insanity of fandom. We're still only 4 years removed from the Tulo/Romero draft. Patience grasshoppers. The results will be in in due time. To conclude anything about the 2006 draft (Reynolds/Lincecum/Snider etc) before 2011 isn't really fair to the late bloomers.
    Oh, i don't look at it like that.

    I just like to see the steals, i like to see how players have progressed through their careers.

    You see first round players who were great specs, and are out of baseball having never played in the big leagues ever....and then you see guys like Pujols.

    I just like to see it. obviously gm's didn't know how players will turn out when the drafts are made.

    How many first overall picks have had valuable careers?

    A rod and griffey and a small number of others?

    It's just fun to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by actionjackson View Post
    Personally, I find that to be an exercise in self-flagellation and most people come to conclusions about players way to soon. I see it in comments sections everywhere. "Stupid GM X, should've taken player Y". Around here the hue and cry was "Why did J.P. take Ricky Romero ahead of Troy Tulowitzki." When Romero started off with a bang this year and Tulo was coming off a horrible 2008 and looked to be just as bad at the start of this year, it was "Troy who?". By the end of the year it was back to "Stupid J.P." Don't get me wrong I would much rather have Tulo, but it just shows to go you the insanity of fandom. We're still only 4 years removed from the Tulo/Romero draft. Patience grasshoppers. The results will be in in due time. To conclude anything about the 2006 draft (Reynolds/Lincecum/Snider etc) before 2011 isn't really fair to the late bloomers.
    absolutely, i say you can't honestly know what kind of a prospect you have until they are at least 25-26. players can fazzle out just as quickly as they were good for example.

    it's kind of like if tulo goes down with a career ending injury next year, and romero ends up slowly improving each year for the next 8. then it wouldn't be stupid j.p.

    you can't hate on the team that made the draft selections. It isn't really fair at all.

    I just like to look back, see the results, see how players turned out etc.

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