2009-2010 Tigers Roster Thread

[haveacigar]

gullien a switch hitter i thought he is righty or something

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[BINGLEBOP]

Yeah I could see Jackson getting traded for sure. Granderson just means too much to the city and is just too valuable and affordable in baseball terms. They'd have to really get knocked over with a trade offer to do it.

Yeah, it wouldn't make any sense at all. From Fangraphs:

But, let's just take a step back and evaluate the rumor on its face – the Tigers are looking to reduce their costs by trading Granderson, who is owed a whopping $5.5 million in salary in 2010? Really? The actual cost savings, once you factor in that they have to replace him, would be in the low single millions, or about the same amount as they could get by just non-tendering Gerald Laird.

To save a few million bucks, the Tigers are going to give up one of the best values in baseball? Keep in mind, Granderson has been worth an average of $19.4 million over the last four years, and never less than $14 million. He's a +4 win player under the age of 30. He's essentially the equal in value of John Lackey, just without all the injury risks, and he's due a total of $36 million over the next four years.

This is a franchise that just let Magglio Ordonez's $18 million option for 2010 vest in pursuit of a playoff spot. Now, we're supposed to believe that they're going to turn around and ship off one of the game's best center fielders to save a fraction of what they wasted on Maggs?

This just doesn't pass the smell test. Granderson is a star and a massive bargain. When you're cutting costs, you don't start with the guy producing the highest return on investment on the roster. It doesn't make any sense.

There's merit to trading Edwin Jackson while his ERA is still shiny and he's not overly expensive. There's logic behind that. There's no logic behind trading Curtis Granderson unless you're getting a monstrous package of talent in return. And that wouldn't be a cost savings decision, but instead a talent decision.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Tigers trimmed payroll this winter, but I'd be stunned if Granderson was traded. Unless some team is going to take every bad contract the Tigers have with him, he's more valuable to them as a player than as trade bait.

[haveacigar]

Yeah, it wouldn't make any sense at all. From Fangraphs:

Cameron said it better than I could.

Everyone likes to bring out the flaws about Granderson; platoon player, struggles with contact, high Ks, inconsistent defense.

Despite all that, he's a fantastic everyday player. 4 win players are nothing to sneeze at.

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AFL Update:

Things continue to go well for the Tigers’ Arizona contingent – excepting Scott Sizemore’s injury of course. Robbie Weinhardt’s rough 3 outing start is a thing of the past. Casper Wells continues to hit. Andy Oliver, Thad Weber, and Scot Drucker are all seeing some success as the Peoria Javelinas lead the league.

Robbie Weinhardt

Weinhardt gave up 7 runs in his first 3 appearances, and none since. In his last 5 outings he’s thrown 10 scoreless innings. He’s allowed just 1 walk and 5 hits with 17 strike outs over that span. His 25 K’s lead the league. Those are remarkable numbers in an offense dominated league.

Casper Wells

Wells is leading the AFL in slugging at .750 and he’s 4th in on base percentage. He did have to leave yesterday’s game when trying to beat out a play at first. The Daily Fungo’s Mike McClary was in attendance and tweeted that Wells was able to limp off under his own power.

The Rest

In Oliver’s last 7 innings (4 games) he’s only allowed 1 unearned run, 3 walks, and 6 hits while fanning 8…Thad Weber has walked only 1 batter in 9 innings while fanning 10…Drucker has been up and down vacillating between good and bad outings. Today was a good one with 3 scoreless frames…Cale Iorg had a 2 game break out that saw him hit a homer and a double. But in 45 at-bats he has a .512 OPS and 16 strike outs.

Courtesy of detroittigersweblog.com

Weinhardt is another guy who could break out and make the bullpen out of Spring Training. The way Casper Wells is playing, he's almost a dead lock to be the 4th OF on Opening Day, and he might even work his way into a starting spot if Ryan Raburn struggles. Thad Weber and Scot Drucker have shots to play in MLB in 2010, but are destined to start the season in Toledo. Oliver will start in Lakeland, I think, maybe West Michigan. Probably won't jump to Erie immediately. Iorg will repeat AA and the pressure is really on for him to demonstrate some ability to hit minor league pitching.

[200tang]

Everyone likes to bring out the flaws about Granderson; platoon player, struggles with contact, high Ks, inconsistent defense.

Despite all that, he's a fantastic everyday player. 4 win players are nothing to sneeze at.

I thought the same thing when Klaw called him a platoon CF. Does he struggle against lefties? Yeah, but he's a good defender and baserunner and you don't see that many lefties over the course of a season.

Would he benefit from a platoon? Yeah, but unlike BM I don't think you can make him a platoon without hearing about it in the media or what not. Not to mention most guys don't want to be in a platoon and come time to sign a new contract it's not gonna be fun.

[haveacigar]

I thought the same thing when Klaw called him a platoon CF. Does he struggle against lefties? Yeah, but he's a good defender and baserunner and you don't see that many lefties over the course of a season.

Would he benefit from a platoon? Yeah, but unlike BM I don't think you can make him a platoon without hearing about it in the media or what not. Not to mention most guys don't want to be in a platoon and come time to sign a new contract it's not gonna be fun.

Well, yes, he's a platoon hitter. But he's not really worth platooning unless you can find someone who will be just as adequate defensively, and good enough offensively to merit the move. Casper Wells could very well be that guy though, which is why I hope he starts the season in Detroit.

[haveacigar]

Dave Dombrowski not gonna have a fire sale:

"I can assure you 100% that we do not have any kind of fire sale, or salary dump, or whatever you might call it, taking place," Dombrowski said. "To me, you're always in position where you listen to what people have to say,"

[haveacigar]

Updated projection: Robbie Weinhardt will make the team, not Jay Sborz.

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40 Man Roster:

Pitchers
Jeremy Bonderman
Eddie Bonine
Freddy Dolsi
Casey Fien
Alfredo Figaro
Armando Galarraga
Edwin Jackson
Zach Miner
Fu-Te Ni
Ryan Perry
Rick Porcello
Clay Rapada
Nate Robertson
Jay Sborz
Bobby Seay
Zach Simons
Jacob Turner
Justin Verlander
Dontrelle Willis
Joel Zumaya

Catchers
Alex Avila
Gerald Laird
Dusty Ryan

Infielders
Miguel Cabrera
Audy Ciriaco
Brent Dlugach
Brandon Inge
Jeff Larish
Ramon Santiago
Scott Sizemore
Ryan Strieby

Outfielders
Brennan Boesch
Curtis Granderson
Carlos Guillen
Don Kelly
Magglio Ordonez
Ryan Raburn
Wilkin Ramirez
Clete Thomas
Casper Wells

[haveacigar]

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/fa...troit-tigers2/

Detroit Tigers

1. Jacob Turner: Sporting the most electric fastball of any high school pitcher in the 2009 draft class, Turner is a pure but exciting project. His curveball has the best chance of developing into his out pitch, but it has a long way to go. He is one of the more raw but talented players in minor league baseball.
2. Scott Sizemore: Perhaps the best second base prospect in baseball, Sizemore has the kind of power/speed combination that could make him an All-Star. The only downside to his stock is that he will be 25 years old by the start of the 2010 season.
3. Casey Crosby: Crosby came back beautifully from Tommy John surgery to post stellar Single-A stats. I'm holding back a bit on his stock until I see his mechanics stabilize and his powerful left arm perform against better competition, but he might be one of the game's best pitching prospects by this time next year.
4. Alex Avila: Avila rose from relative obscurity to post a solid Eastern League season. He was then promoted to the majors for a brief but head-turning stint that firmly placed him on the prospect map. I don't think he has All-Star ability, but we may be looking at Detroit's long-term answer at catcher.
5. Ryan Strieby: Strieby continues to clobber the ball at every minor league stop he makes. Detroit has played it safe and moved him up one steady level at a time, but the fact is that it's difficult to project his bat moving into the big leagues. I don't think he will hit for much of a batting average, but he could settle in as a legit 30-homer threat. Or he could become another in a long line of Quadruple-A first basemen. All you can do is invest cautiously and cross your fingers.
6. Andrew Oliver: Despite coming out of the bullpen in the Arizona Fall League, Oliver will get every opportunity to become a starter. On the downside, he is very raw for a player his age, and every bit of his game needs refinement. On the upside, he has a lively fastball and the makings of a plus slider.
7. Cody Satterwhite: While his command still needs refinement and his slider and change-up are still developing, Satterwhite has the superior fastball required to be a future closer.
8. Wilkin Ramirez: The tools are still there, but time is beginning to run out. Ramirez has the potential for plus power, and he has some deceptive, workable speed, but he has gaping holes in his swing. And his overly aggressive plate approach isn't doing him any favors. His defense is a liability as well. The odds are stacked against him at this point, but I'm not giving up yet.
9. Cale Iorg: Iorg's defense has Detroit excited, but his bat has been downright dreadful since he was drafted in 2007. It makes me wonder what I still see in this kid. Well, if he can eventually improve his patience and consistency at the plate, his bat has some pop in it—a rare commodity from a shortstop.
10. Casper Wells: Wells doesn't have much power projection left in his bat, he strikes out too much for his average pop, and his patience at the plate is still lacking. Yet, his prowess on defense will make sure that he gets a shot in the majors soon—as a fourth outfielder at least.

[200tang]

Needs more Weinhardt

[200tang]

Wait..how come Jacob Turner is on the 40 man?

[haveacigar]

Wait..how come Jacob Turner is on the 40 man?

Because he signed a major league contract.

[200tang]

Because he signed a major league contract.

Ah, I had thought only Strasburg and Ackley did. Seems weird that he did though, generally you see that with guys who should blow through the minors quickly, but everything I've read has him moving slower than Porcello and starting at Low-A this year with late - 2011 (very best case)/ late - 2012 as ETAs.

[haveacigar]

Ah, I had thought only Strasburg and Ackley did. Seems weird that he did though, generally you see that with guys who should blow through the minors quickly, but everything I've read has him moving slower than Porcello and starting at Low-A this year with late - 2011 (very best case)/ late - 2012 as ETAs.

Boras probably insisted on it. It's definitely problematic though, because he has to be on the ML roster by 2013 at the absolute latest.