Fantasy Football Reminder

[rockiesfan4ever]

Rage, I sent you a trade offer rearding me sending you Kerry Collins

[OregonDuck1989]

[QUOTE]I think Ben=Brees as of right now due to the weak pass D Ben has to face/QUOTE]

Even though you are right on the defenses (Ben faces mostly weak defenses) I still am going to have disagree heavily on that Brees=Ben comment. Ben has been excellent this season, but in fantasy, he is no where near the kind of production of Drew Brees.

For reference, here is Pitt's remaining schedule with pass defense (yards given up per game) ranking.

For all of Cleveland's struggles, their pass defense has been their best part.

Cleveland-10th.
Minnesota-18th (fairly weak)
Denver-5th
Cincinnati-23rd (weak!)
Kansas City-29th
Baltimore (twice)-26th (Shocking isn't it?)
Green Bay-17th
Miami-19th

[dickay]

[QUOTE=OregonDuck1989;1391393]

I think Ben=Brees as of right now due to the weak pass D Ben has to face/QUOTE]

Even though you are right on the defenses (Ben faces mostly weak defenses) I still am going to have disagree heavily on that Brees=Ben comment. Ben has been excellent this season, but in fantasy, he is no where near the kind of production of Drew Brees.

For reference, here is Pitt's remaining schedule with pass defense (yards given up per game) ranking.

For all of Cleveland's struggles, their pass defense has been their best part.

Cleveland-10th.
Minnesota-18th (fairly weak)
Denver-5th
Cincinnati-23rd (weak!)
Kansas City-29th
Baltimore (twice)-26th (Shocking isn't it?)
Green Bay-17th
Miami-19th

i don't put alot of stock int he pass defense ratings this early in the season to be honest. defenses sometimes take a bit longer to get rolling, it is a "small sample" and some of these teams may have played high power passing games. I think Baltimore, GB, and Miami for example are much better than their ranking.

[OregonDuck1989]

[QUOTE=dickay;1391419]

i don't put alot of stock int he pass defense ratings this early in the season to be honest. defenses sometimes take a bit longer to get rolling, it is a "small sample" and some of these teams may have played high power passing games. I think Baltimore, GB, and Miami for example are much better than their ranking.

I agree. Minnesota as well.

[Arctic Blast]

Wow...color me a little baffled as well. I gotta say President, even after reading your post to dickay I think you're losing out. Even IF Ben for Brees and Williams for Grant are washes (definitely I would call the second shift an even deal, maybe the first), why are you throwing in 2 wide receivers on top of that? That seems like completely unnecessary overkill to me.

[President]

Wow...color me a little baffled as well. I gotta say President, even after reading your post to dickay I think you're losing out. Even IF Ben for Brees and Williams for Grant are washes (definitely I would call the second shift an even deal, maybe the first), why are you throwing in 2 wide receivers on top of that? That seems like completely unnecessary overkill to me.

Yeah...I was thinking about that as well. It wasn't if I was using Harvin...I don't believe I started him ever? Welker I started when he was healthy...but key word- healthy. I don't think Welker can stay healthy on a consistent basis, in my honest opinion.

After thinking about it, I thought I could get Ben and Williams for just Brees...my thinking at that time was to throw in Grant (who I believe isn't going to do well after I believe he would do good), and two receivers I barely use to try to level the deal. Obviously, the deal is in favor for Ewing, but I like my other wide outs more than the ones I gave up.

Getting Troy, btw, was just to get my favorite player. He wasn't a factor in the equation, and I wasn't going to give up more just to get him. I gave Ewing Terrance Newman b/c I didn't need him.

Here, I believe, is the history of the trade as it evolved:

1) I offer Brees for Ben+Benson+Troy
2) He counters with Brees+Harvin for Troy+Ben+Avery
3) I counter with Brees+Grant+Hester for Troy+Ben+Benson
4) He counters with Brees+Welker+Harvin for Ben+Stewart+Avery+Troy
5) I counter with Brees+Welker+Harvin for Ben+Deangelo+Troy (Because it was coming obvious I wasn't going to get Benson, so I settled for another RB)
6) He PMs me back wanting Grant and Newman
7) So the final trade was Grant+Brees+Welker+Harvin+Newman for Troy+Deangelo+Ben

At the time of the trade, I was sick of Grant under performing, and Welker and Harvin I started only a few times, so I accepted. Maybe I should have pressured Ewing to give me a little more, but really, I just wanted a potential game changing back to complement CJ.

I probably didn't need to give up so much, but whatever, if I win, I'll just point to this trade and look like a genius If I lose, I'll just imagine this trade never existed.

[President]

[QUOTE=dickay;1391419]

i don't put alot of stock int he pass defense ratings this early in the season to be honest. defenses sometimes take a bit longer to get rolling, it is a "small sample" and some of these teams may have played high power passing games. I think Baltimore, GB, and Miami for example are much better than their ranking.

True, but Arian's philosophy is to pass, and if that doesn't work, run to open up the pass. And if that still doesn't work, just keep slinging the ball down field. So even if the defenses are stronger than their ranks, Ben will keep throwing the ball at the rate he's going because Arians loves Ben so much as a QB.

Drew Brees is the same way btw, but I'm pretty sure that the next few teams for the Steelers that they face have strong run Ds (like the Ravens), so they pass the ball more. Brees, on the other hand...I'm not sure, since I don't follow the Saints as much.

[President]

I guess my new slogan will be Ben, Johnson, and Deangelo.

[ewing6]

Trading one of my wrs for a running back. The level of RB I get depends on which wr i give up I can add fred jackson for right deal

[hoosiergoody]

you have to play the waiver game...if you wasted your waiver position in earlier weeks by making waiver signings on players that you could have waited a day to sign in FA...then you fall on the sword.

quitting in week 6??? one of the weakest things ive ever heard of rage. I have the second highest amount of points scored in this league yet have a 2-3 record. My total points are not in any way a reflection on one or two huge weeks, i've had solid weeks every week but have played teams that have had their best weeks. I've lost two games while scoring over 250pts in each of those!! Bad bad luck...yet i'm not throwing in the towel. I'm disappointed in you.

waivers are reset every week; last = 1 and first = last...

[hoosiergoody]

Yeah...I was thinking about that as well. It wasn't if I was using Harvin...I don't believe I started him ever? Welker I started when he was healthy...but key word- healthy. I don't think Welker can stay healthy on a consistent basis, in my honest opinion.

After thinking about it, I thought I could get Ben and Williams for just Brees...my thinking at that time was to throw in Grant (who I believe isn't going to do well after I believe he would do good), and two receivers I barely use to try to level the deal. Obviously, the deal is in favor for Ewing, but I like my other wide outs more than the ones I gave up.

Getting Troy, btw, was just to get my favorite player. He wasn't a factor in the equation, and I wasn't going to give up more just to get him. I gave Ewing Terrance Newman b/c I didn't need him.

Here, I believe, is the history of the trade as it evolved:

1) I offer Brees for Ben+Benson+Troy
2) He counters with Brees+Harvin for Troy+Ben+Avery
3) I counter with Brees+Grant+Hester for Troy+Ben+Benson
4) He counters with Brees+Welker+Harvin for Ben+Stewart+Avery+Troy
5) I counter with Brees+Welker+Harvin for Ben+Deangelo+Troy (Because it was coming obvious I wasn't going to get Benson, so I settled for another RB)
6) He PMs me back wanting Grant and Newman
7) So the final trade was Grant+Brees+Welker+Harvin+Newman for Troy+Deangelo+Ben

At the time of the trade, I was sick of Grant under performing, and Welker and Harvin I started only a few times, so I accepted. Maybe I should have pressured Ewing to give me a little more, but really, I just wanted a potential game changing back to complement CJ.

I probably didn't need to give up so much, but whatever, if I win, I'll just point to this trade and look like a genius If I lose, I'll just imagine this trade never existed.

I think you are giving up too much, but it is up to the rest of the league on that call...

[Arctic Blast]

Well, I'm not going to veto it if that's what you mean. I do think it's a weird trade, but it isn't a talent dump or anything like that.

[dickay]

waivers are reset every week; last = 1 and first = last...

yuck, i didn't realize it was set that way. not a fan...

[dickay]

Well, I'm not going to veto it if that's what you mean. I do think it's a weird trade, but it isn't a talent dump or anything like that.

i dont' veto, and hate when trades are vetoed...unless its obvious collusion or a team quitting and trying to fu(k the league. people need to be allowed to make their own mistakes, and often despite how bad a trade looks it actually works out. i have my own team to run, i don't think we should be running others.

i'm just putting that out there early, because i was just in a fantasy baseball league where every other trade was vetoed. absolutely ruins the league for me.

[hoosiergoody]

i dont' veto, and hate when trades are vetoed...unless its obvious collusion or a team quitting and trying to fu(k the league. people need to be allowed to make their own mistakes, and often despite how bad a trade looks it actually works out. i have my own team to run, i don't think we should be running others.

i'm just putting that out there early, because i was just in a fantasy baseball league where every other trade was vetoed. absolutely ruins the league for me.

So who is the deciding factor on this? Not that I think it is happening here, but what if? While i agree that every trade shouldn't get vetoed, we still have an option to place our opinion. Even when looking at other trades, we should at least weigh it and make sure that it is even/fair, especially when we are in a live-draft league, and have invested a bit of our time (in comparison to auto-draft, where we get what we get).