2009 MLB Draft Signee Thread

[rockiesfan4ever]

Gammons reporting that the Commish is holding off signings so they don't impact others AND that there are conflicting reports about the Rox signing Matzek

[HoustonGM]

or..............keeps it fair.

Not for players. It's incredibly UNFAIR for the players.

it wouldn't be done to make the owners more rich, and i don't see how that is a valid point to the argument.

Because that's how it works. Restricting the salaries of players = more money for owners.

the reason for doing so is so you don't have Aaron Crowe's or Matt Harrington's who miss our on their baseball careers because of money. If you keep a reasonable cap limit for each draft slot...the team and player can try to negotiate under that cap limit.

And that screws the players by getting rid of their leverage and by preventing them from getting their full market value.

....there is no reason baseball should potentially be deprived of a great talent because the player or the agent got too greedy that they were willing to walk away from millions to play a game they love.

Likewise, there is no reason a talented player should potentially be deprived of receiving his full market value at the only point in time for a long time and potentially ever that he has any negotiating leverage.

it is allowing greed to run these young ball players rather then allowing them to just be excited to play.

So, let's see here. Greed is good when it comes to big business, even if it's harmful for the average citizen. But a star athlete being greedy? No! Bad! We should tell him what the most he can earn is! For someone who's so anti-socialist, you're sure taking a very anti-free market stance here.

you do it for all the reasons that it would help these young athletes.

Getting rid of the only leverage they'll possibly ever have and limiting their earning power does NOT help them.

Did you read the quotes I posted in that 2nd link? If not, I strongly suggest that you do.

[haveacigar]

All a rookie bonus cap does is ensure that stupid organizations can still pick decent talent and be competitive, and save owners some cash. I really don't see what is so bad for baseball for players to get more money. If teams don't want to pay the bonus demands, they certainly have the ability to pass and get another pick the next season.

[HoustonGM]

The stupid organizations could easily afford draftees. They just choose to waste money on mediocre/over-the-hill veterans, as I illustrated in an earlier post with the Pirates/Matt Morris example.

[wahoosamC]

I'm excited. They need to move Fields to 3rd, he's gonna be a beast.

absolutely. I love his swing. My HS team played a double header against U of D this year. He sat out but him and his dad were working on his swing with a wooden bat at the cages on their field and he was killing the ball. I was in RF right by the catches and was just watching him the whole time.

[Jeffy25]

Not for players. It's incredibly UNFAIR for the players.

it keeps it fair FOR the players. how would you like to be the guy getting drafted 5th one year, and getting 4 million, when the guy drafted 8th getting 7 million? just because your agent didn't get it for you....THAT isn't fair.

Because that's how it works. Restricting the salaries of players = more money for owners.

That isn't why you do it....this isn't about making owners more rich, this is about keeping the game fair and balanced for all athletes that go through the ammy draft. Who cares how much the owners make? ammy draft players are basically being given a bonus just for being drafted and going into a minor league system...it has absolutely nothing about the owners....at least not my reasoning for controlling this.

And that screws the players by getting rid of their leverage and by preventing them from getting their full market value.

Free market value? these guys aren't on the free market....they were drafted to join a big league team in order to help that team win games one day. these aren't free agent ball players and they aren't on the free market.

Likewise, there is no reason a talented player should potentially be deprived of receiving his full market value at the only point in time for a long time and potentially ever that he has any negotiating leverage.

deprived? what i am proposing certainly would not be depriving a high school or recent college graduate from making a good deal of money.

If he does well, then after his arbitration years, he has the ability to negotiate for a better contract one day, and make a good deal of money. the way it is now.....the only thing this free market money does is allow greed to decide where these kids go and how quickly they could develop....baseball is a business, but it's a game first.

So, let's see here. Greed is good when it comes to big business, even if it's harmful for the average citizen. But a star athlete being greedy? No! Bad! We should tell him what the most he can earn is! For someone who's so anti-socialist, you're sure taking a very anti-free market stance here.

never said anything like this, don't see where you are coming up with it. don't twist my words to make me sound like a jackass.

greed is good when it comes to business growth. and i have said in the past as such.....in this instance, greed can potentially harm careers....note Matt Harrington. Aaron Crowe. it is ruining careers before they even had a chance. you are under team control when drafted. you should be allowed to sign with that team for that slot amount. if you can't come to terms with that team, then there should be some time length before you could become a free market free agent. or go to college another year, or simply go to college.

no where did i ever make a very anti-free market stance.

Getting rid of the only leverage they'll possibly ever have and limiting their earning power does NOT help them.

and putting them on a baseball field and getting rid of potential greed DOES help them. this doesn't remove their leverage...they need to come out and do their time in the minors. IF they perform, and make it the big leagues and do their job, then they can pursue the income they feel they deserve.

they will have leverage one day, IF they perform.

Did you read the quotes I posted in that 2nd link? If not, I strongly suggest that you do.

Yes, yes i did.

I still believe players should be paid based on performance rather then prior to their performance. Either a commission rate, or a pay per position rate....they should be able to make what they do....but i don't agree with the pay in advance deal that they currently do.

we wouldn't have Wells or Silvia's gross contracts.

[Jeffy25]

The stupid organizations could easily afford draftees. They just choose to waste money on mediocre/over-the-hill veterans, as I illustrated in an earlier post with the Pirates/Matt Morris example.

but i do agree with this....you were right when you said this.

[TheNamelessPoet]

HGM... they have no value... they have not thrown 1 ML pitch! By putting the cap in you make it so that teams like Pit, Wash, Col, FLA, TB, MINNY, KNOW what to budget for in the draft. So what FLA if they are picking first should shell out the 20-25 mil Strasburg is gonna get and then tell us they can't afford ML talent... come on be serious. If the guy is as good as advertized its not like he is going to be paid once he PROVES he is worth the $$$ u dont think this irks guys like abreu who signed for 5 mill that a guy who neve rplayed a day in his life is asking for 50 mill?

[Jeffy25]

All a rookie bonus cap does is ensure that stupid organizations can still pick decent talent and be competitive, and save owners some cash. I really don't see what is so bad for baseball for players to get more money. If teams don't want to pay the bonus demands, they certainly have the ability to pass and get another pick the next season.

and the system really is fine, but i hate seeing a player not get drafted because of money, or end up having to play independent ball because of greed.

[TheNamelessPoet]

but i do agree with this....you were right when you said this.

agree with this as well

[Jeffy25]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

[Steve13]

green signs with OAK

[200tang]

These rookie cap arguments take place every year. :|

[metsguy234]

Top 2 draft picks don't sign?

That's an...























































EPIC FAIL

[wahoosamC]

Ackley signed.