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    Re: Torre ordered it?

    Quote Originally Posted by SirKodiak View Post
    I think it is often their thought that they want to minimize the chance of their star being injured, and weigh that greater than the value of a baserunner.
    How does hitting a player in retaliation minimize the chance of their star being injured (who presumably was already hit by a pitch)?

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    From their thinking, I believe they are looking into the future, and they believe if they don't retaliate there is a greater chance he will get hit again than if they don't.
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    Re: Torre ordered it?

    A lot of the times, retaliations are in response to completely accidental HBP's, too, and those, especially, I don't understand and would not do if I was a player/order if i was a manager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    A lot of the times, retaliations are in response to completely accidental HBP's, too, and those, especially, I don't understand and would not do if I was a player/order if i was a manager.
    Not to mention how would it feel to get called out like Teixeira/Padilla? You know..all those times Teixeira got hit because of Padilla...you know...those times..

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    Question Re: Torre ordered it?

    How come a manager can "order" a fellow-employee to do something that may, ultimately, hit that f-e's pocket-book?
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    Re: Torre ordered it?

    If it wasn't Torre who ordered the hit, then maybe it was...


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    Personally, I rarely ever want to intentionally give the other team a baserunner. You know, because my main concern is winning, not revenge.
    Weren't the Dodgers up like 17-4 when it happened? I don't think they were concerned with Prince Fielder's speed lighting up a 13 run rally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xtheriot2 View Post
    Weren't the Dodgers up like 17-4 when it happened? I don't think they were concerned with Prince Fielder's speed lighting up a 13 run rally.
    Fair point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    How does hitting a player in retaliation minimize the chance of their star being injured (who presumably was already hit by a pitch)?
    If you don't throw back at the other team they will continue to throw at you...so you have to get even...it's more like preventing future incidents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xtheriot2 View Post
    Weren't the Dodgers up like 17-4 when it happened? I don't think they were concerned with Prince Fielder's speed lighting up a 13 run rally.
    It wasn't about the score, it was about getting even and sending a message that you can't do it to one of our guys without it happening back to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kellys11 View Post
    If you don't throw back at the other team they will continue to throw at you...so you have to get even...it's more like preventing future incidents.
    No offense, but that's a dumb explanation. That's why the Red Sox and Yankees never throw at each other in games...oh...no...wait...they still do? I thought hitting them back would prevent future incidents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kellys11 View Post
    It wasn't about the score, it was about getting even and sending a message that you can't do it to one of our guys without it happening back to you.
    I'd rather win the game. If it's close, there's no way I gave the other team a free baserunner just to "get even."

    Not all HBP's are on purpose, too, and I think you better be damn sure it was if you really need to retaliate.

    Also, what 200tang said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 200tang View Post
    No offense, but that's a dumb explanation. That's why the Red Sox and Yankees never throw at each other in games...oh...no...wait...they still do? I thought hitting them back would prevent future incidents.
    might be dumb but that is why they do it.....and using the redsox and yankees (or any other extreme rivalry) isn't really fair, they hate each other and will do it no matter what.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    I'd rather win the game. If it's close, there's no way I gave the other team a free baserunner just to "get even."

    Not all HBP's are on purpose, too, and I think you better be damn sure it was if you really need to retaliate.

    Also, what 200tang said.
    I completely agree with you (except where 200 called me dumb, but how could I take offense to a comment like that).

    most teams won't do it when it's close, but we are talking about a 13 run game which pretty much made it a given that they were going to get even....your right most are not intential, most start in a blow out game.....but really it doesn't matter if it is intential, if they throw at my best player you can bet that your best player will be thrown at intential or not....

    Not saying it's right that's just the way it is.....same reasoning why you couldn't hit Gretzky without paying for it later.

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    Gretz was never hit much, anyway...he always seemed to know where the bodies were bearing down...
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