How do YOU value a closer?

[TheNamelessPoet]

a.)Must pitch 1.0 Inning OR come in with 1 out and 2 runners in scoring position with the second runner being the tying or winning run
b.)2 runs or less
c.)3 innings
d.) No runs may be given up
e.)if save is blown, pitcher can not win game

a is jsut making it so that those guys that come in with the bases loaded and 1 out do not get the save
b. is just changing the rule for 3 to 2 runs
c. is unchanged
d.and e. are added and are a part of each other. it really could be d only because tehy wouyld have to give up a run to blow it so its really a-d

[HoustonGM]

Yes: Rivera, Hoffman, Eck, Wilhelm, Sutter, Lee Smith, Gossage, Fingers

Borderline: Wagner, Franco, Reardon, Nenn, Percival

No: The rest

I'd love to see what separates Hoffman, Sutter, and Smith from Wagner, Franco, Reardon, Nenn and Percival from "the rest."

[metsguy234]

I'd love to see what separates Hoffman, Sutter, and Smith from Wagner, Franco, Reardon, Nenn and Percival from "the rest."

What?

[HoustonGM]

What?

I can't get much clearer than that.

[Wassit3]

I'd love to see what separates Hoffman, Sutter, and Smith from Wagner, Franco, Reardon, Nenn and Percival from "the rest."

obviously they we're "clutch" pitchers, when the chips where down they could will batters to get outs instead of hits seesh hgm

[metsguy234]

I can't get much clearer than that.

"I'd love to see what separates Hoffman, Sutter, and Smith from Wagner; Franco, Reardon, Nenn and Percival from "the rest.""

I think it was a punctuation error you made (which I fixed above)

Were you intending to say:

What separates Hoffman/Sutter/Smith from Wagner?

What separates Franco/Reardon/Nenn/Percival from "the rest"?


The way you put it it looked like you were comparing 3 things at once.

[HoustonGM]

I am comparing three things at once.

What separates Hoffman/Sutter/Smith from Wagner/Franco/Reardon/Nenn/Percival from the rest?

It's a simpler way of saying "What separates the first three from the second group and what separates the second group from the rest?"

[HoustonGM]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...=troy+percival
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...arch=tom+henke
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...earch=robb+nen

What makes Percival and Nen borderline, but Tom Henke a "no?"

[metsguy234]

I am comparing three things at once.

What separates Hoffman/Sutter/Smith from Wagner/Franco/Reardon/Nenn/Percival from the rest?

It's a simpler way of saying "What separates the first three from the second group and what separates the second group from the rest?"

It should be:

What separates Hoffman/Sutter/Smith from Wagner/Franco/Reardon/Nenn/Percival and Wagner/Franco/Reardon/Percival from the rest?

or

What separates Hoffman/Sutter/Smith from Wagner/Franco/Reardon/Nenn/Percival and the rest?


Also, ANSWER MY IMS

[HoustonGM]

It doesn't matter. There's multiple ways to say it. Way to avoid intellectually responding though by being a weird grammar Nazi.

[ragecage]

Henke owns compared to Sutter. Rivera and Gossage are the pinacle and Henke is right under them both.

[Jeffy25]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...=troy+percival
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...arch=tom+henke
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...earch=robb+nen

What makes Percival and Nen borderline, but Tom Henke a "no?"

I know, i was joking about tom....he had a few good seasons though....just a big fan of my cuz

[Jeffy25]

honestly though, i would take henke over nen and percival personally.

[metsguy234]

Henke is definitely one of the first inductees into the Baseball Glasses Hall of Fame



This guy gets in too:

[Jeffy25]

MG...how does nen and perc count as boardeline but henke is the rest?

it was one of the questions HGM was asking