Trade Rumors

[Jeffy25]

hell it's almost not worth 33 mil a year for the next two years just to be given hallady straight up....simply bc you are going to spend 70 mil paying off the rest of well's contract

[Jeffy25]

Lohse has a no-trade clause. I doubt he'd waive it to go back to the American League (in the AL East) and get hammered. Even if you picked up Wells' contract (or most of it), they'd probably want at least two top prospects for Halladay still. You can't offer them garbage.

how about i give you a box of tampons for Roy Halladay and a player to be named later?

[BINGLEBOP]

It's just a rumor, either way. Still, you're going to have to give up something of value whether it's just for Halladay or Halladay and another player. That's "top prospects" that will hurt giving them up.

[Jeffy25]

and HGM. I understand that Ludwick is a .250, 25 homer a year kind of player...with ok defense and a plus arm....i'm fully aware what he is worth...he does have value at being cheap for two more years though

[gosensgo101]

I'm hearing from a couple places that Wells is gonna have to be included in any deal involving Halladay.

[HoustonGM]

What makes u think I think he is good? He is cheap and a decently valauable outfielder. No gm would ever take the deal I proposed, I'm fully aware. But I don't think luddy gave birth to our lord and savior

That right there. You keep throwing Ludwick's name into trades for players like Holliday and Halladay. Why? I'd assume it's because you think he's better than he actually, which is why I said what I said. I wouldn't assume that it's because you're just throwing out impossibilities for no reason at all, which apparently is what you're doing.

So if the cards packaged something like, duncan, lohse, todd, jay, and ankiel for halladay and wells. What would be the benefit for toronto unloading the greatest pitcher in baseball? Other then 30 mil a year in contracts, which would be made up slightly with someone like lohse, or glaus. I don't see the cardinals taking on that much payroll for that long, especially if they plan to keep albert and go after another bat, like holliday's.

Another trade that wouldn't happen in any universe. What's the point of mentioning this stuff?

and HGM. I understand that Ludwick is a .250, 25 homer a year kind of player...with ok defense and a plus arm....i'm fully aware what he is worth...he does have value at being cheap for two more years though

Sure, but a 29 year old with one good season under his belt is not what a team trading a top 5 pitcher is looking for.

[Jeffy25]

what does toronto even really want for Halladay? other then to also unload Wells?

what direction is the organization going in?

and what teams can both take on an extra 30 mil a year in contracts that are also players for Halladay?

[HoustonGM]

They'd want one young major league ready player with big upside, plus probably 1 or 2 top prospects, plus another prospect for Halladay alone. It's going to take A LOT which is why they aren't LOOKING to trade him and simply said they'd LISTEN to offers.

I say it's more than likely that Halladay stays in Toronto.

[dickay]

I say it's more than likely that Halladay stays in Toronto.

well thats goin out on a limb, seeing how most of the time these stud pitchers aren't traded.

and what teams can both take on an extra 30 mil a year in contracts that are also players for Halladay?

philly fits the bill well IMO...and i think whoever toronto deals with, if wells is included they would pay for some of the contract. NYM maybe...don't know if they have the prospects to do it...and IMO it would be dumb for them..but they could afford it. And hey..if Toronto could afford it i'm certain quite a few other teams could find a way to make it work too.

Another trade that wouldn't happen in any universe. What's the point of mentioning this stuff?

its a discussion about trade possibilities. always get homerism in these discussions. that said, IMO its more of a reasonable and realistic discussion than comparing players of different eras/worlds.

The team could always send back a bad contract that expires soon and I'm sure Toronto will take on some of the salary. So with the Cards, send a guy like Glaus or Loshe back. For the Phils, send Moyer and Romero or something (not many bad contracts).

this would have to be the case. If i'm TOR and STL calls, i'm starting with Rasmus and adding multiple talents on top from there. This talk from Jeffy about these fringe prospects isn't realistic. Gotta move a big fish, and TOR wants bats in return.

[HoustonGM]

its a discussion about trade possibilities. always get homerism in these discussions. that said, IMO its more of a reasonable and realistic discussion than comparing players of different eras/worlds.

You're right. Clearly, discussing impossible, unrealistic trades is a more reasonable and realistic discussion than comparing players of different eras using perfectly valid methods such as comparing how they fared against their competition.

Are you still hung up on that nonsense? You still don't get it that it's possible to compare players without using a retarded time machine scenario?

[asianinvasion]

Hmmm, one of the Pirates upper guys was in Seattle today to watch the game. Could there be a Jack Wilson/Freddy Sanchez trade coming soon? Maybe send Mark Lowe for one of them. Would that be enough?

[haveacigar]

I gotta think the Z-Tango crew is looking for a SS, moreso than a 2B. Does Sanchez have any significant SS experience?

[asianinvasion]

I gotta think the Z-Tango crew is looking for a SS, moreso than a 2B. Does Sanchez have any significant SS experience?

Either way, we get Wilson, plug him at short, Yuni at second and Lopez at third. We get Sanchez, put him at either third or second, Yuni at second and Lopez at the other position.

[haveacigar]

How long is YB out?

[asianinvasion]

He should be back after the break. In rehab assignment in AAA right now.