Atheists: Fully Human?

[KowboyKoop]

But something would have had to create god...and something would have had to create that something...so, it's paradoxical (I think that's the word I'm looking for, but I'm not sure).

I think it is beyond human comprehension. That's why I think religion is silly, but I don't think it is possible for all of this to exist without some kind of intelligent design. A scientific force can't appear all by itself out of pure nothingness.

[filihok]

I think it is beyond human comprehension. That's why I think religion is silly, but I don't think it is possible for all of this to exist without some kind of intelligent design. A scientific force can't appear all by itself out of pure nothingness.

But gods can?

[HoustonGM]

Perhaps a scientific force can appear all by itself out of pure nothingness, and we just haven't yet figured out how. Just like you're saying gods are beyond human comprehension, there are areas of science which are (currently) beyond human comoprehension, or are otherwise unknown.

[KowboyKoop]

But gods can?

I'd be more apt to believe that gods can rather than scientific forces, b/c humans have the ability to learn about and manipulate or limit scientific forces. The concept of a "god" is beyond human comprehension, therefore, yes, I do believe that gods being able to create themselves is a possibility.

[KowboyKoop]

Perhaps a scientific force can appear all by itself out of pure nothingness, and we just haven't yet figured out how. Just like you're saying gods are beyond human comprehension, there are areas of science which are (currently) beyond human comoprehension, or are otherwise unknown.

Yes, but humans have the ability to grasp scientific concepts..it's just a matter of learning them. I don't think humans have the ability to grasp the concept of god...therefore I'm inclined to think they could have started themselves.

[filihok]

I'd be more apt to believe that gods can rather than scientific forces, b/c humans have the ability to learn about and manipulate or limit scientific forces. The concept of a "god" is beyond human comprehension, therefore, yes, I do believe that gods being able to create themselves is a possibility.

What do gods or scientific forces have to do with humans? That's kinda putting the cart before the horse isn't it?

I don't know how I feel about this idea of calling things we don't understand 'gods'. Back in the day humans didn't understand the earth's tilt or orbit and created Persephone as a work around.

[KowboyKoop]

What do gods or scientific forces have to do with humans? That's kinda putting the cart before the horse isn't it?

I don't know how I feel about this idea of calling things we don't understand 'gods'. Back in the day humans didn't understand the earth's tilt or orbit and created Persephone as a work around.

Evolution is a scientific force.


Yes, but we eventually learned those things about the Earth. What have we learned, definitively, about gods?

[filihok]

Evolution is a scientific force.

THeory

Yes, but we eventually learned those things about the Earth. What have we learned, definitively, about gods?

That we don't understand but a glimmer of our multiverse yet and we (may) will eventually learn how it began.

[HoustonGM]

Yes, but humans have the ability to grasp scientific concepts..it's just a matter of learning them. I don't think humans have the ability to grasp the concept of god...therefore I'm inclined to think they could have started themselves.

But, what I'm saying is that it is possible that there is a scientific explanation for the universe being created from nothing that humans just do not yet know or are able to comprehend.

[filihok]

But, what I'm saying is that it is possible that there is a scientific explanation for the universe being created from nothing that humans just do not yet know or are able to comprehend.

Exactly. We didn't understand how the earth's tilt created the seasons so we made up a story. We don't understand how the universe began so we make up stories.

[SirKodiak]

Then what would have created the thing that created the universe?

One concept I have read about this has to do with dimensions. Everything we physically interact with is three dimensional, but we live in four dimensional spacetime (three physical dimensions + time). A being that was actually four dimensional would not fall within the constraints imposed by being 3d in a 4d world, like having a beginning or ending as we understand it. I originally got interested in this type of thought after reading a book that explored physics of 2d world in a 3d spacetime.

[grasshopper]

You are all wrong. Adam was bored so he got Eve. Then a T-Rex ate her. Luckily, Kane and Abel were there. So Kane slew Abel, and then a T-Rex ate him too. I am running out of T-Rexs'.

[Slingshot]

But gods can?

Well, gods are after all almighty and don't need to rely on physical presence to prove their existence.

[free2131]

Unfortunately, Cardinal Cormack Murphy-O'Connor is right, and now has managed to get a photo of an atheist in the wild...

[grasshopper]

Unfortunately, Cardinal Cormack Murphy-O'Connor is right, and now has managed to get a photo of an atheist in the wild...

Ok, so the governor of California is to blame for everything. He is married into one of the most Catholic families.