guns on college campuses?

[RickD]

alright, then ask yourself personally, think like a criminal...which house are you more likely to break into? the one where there is no doubt in your mind that this guy has a gun because he isn't allowed to...

or the guy's house that he could possibly have a gun because he has the legal right to....these houses are next door to each other, which one you going into?

Actually if I was a criminal then I would think rob them both and since one guy has a gun, heck shoot them both and be done with it! In for a penny, in for a pound.

[HoustonGM]

No one has said let's take the right and let's beat it up and carry machine guns and rocket launchers...

It's called reductio ad absurdum.

[HoustonGM]

Actually if I was a criminal then I would think rob them both and since one guy has a gun, heck shoot them both and be done with it! In for a penny, in for a pound.

But if you went to shoot the guy with gun, he could shoot back and kill you.

[RickD]

Well, if I was an all-powerful being, with an all-powerful father looking over me, I would feel perfectly safe without mundane weaponry, too.

But let's not get this into a religious debate.

As a believer, not a debate just a statement, I feel God can keep me safe and when or how I die doesn't matter because I am secure in where I am going afterward. I work in a dangerous job and am regularly threatened and have not once felt the need to pick up a gun to defend myself. My life is in God's hands.

[RickD]

that is a good line to live by....but it doesn't mean you shouldn't have the right to protect yourself and your family, and taking away our legal rights as citizens to not be allowed to have a gun is prepostorous.

Well see I believe we have these things called police officers....maybe I'm wrong...aren't they supposed to protect us? Oh and a military!

[HoustonGM]

As a believer, not a debate just a statement, I feel God can keep me safe and when or how I die doesn't matter because I am secure in where I am going afterward. I work in a dangerous job and am regularly threatened and have not once felt the need to pick up a gun to defend myself. My life is in God's hands.

Have you ever been threatened with a gun or other such lethal force?

[HoustonGM]

Well see I believe we have these things called police officers....maybe I'm wrong...aren't they supposed to protect us? Oh and a military!

Why shouldn't people be able to defend themselves, as well, though?

[RickD]

i still don't know where anyone is getting that people are going to be filling their closests with weaponry.

The debate is about being allowed the right to have a gun, concealed on your person in your home, or in your car. you should be allowed to do so as it is our God given right to protect our families.

No one has said let's take the right and let's beat it up and carry machine guns and rocket launchers...

having a solitary revlover, a 9, a shotgun, something to protect you and your loved one's in the event that something actually would happen is a smart decision by any man who has a family....you will be damn happy you have it in the case that something happens.....God forbid of course....and you as a responsible parent and family man, need to also understand the necessary precations to keeping this weapon away from your children.

I have locks on my doors and a dog! However I will not live in fear! I would be more afraid of a nutty neighbor going half-**** in a drunken stupor and shooting his gun off after watching a football game than having a B & E happen with a gunmen involved!

[Jeffy25]

Well see I believe we have these things called police officers....maybe I'm wrong...aren't they supposed to protect us? Oh and a military!

i almost wrote this earlier.....my belief...if the police had a response time that was somewhere within a few minutes, then yes, that would be acceptable...but when it takes your local police 30 minutes to get to you, and seeing how crimes tend to happen very very quickly...how do you propose they can defend you? and how can they defend you in the event that you can't call them?

[RickD]

But if you went to shoot the guy with gun, he could shoot back and kill you.

Yes and it gets ratcheted up because the other guy has a gun... If I am breaking into a house and the guy is unarmed I am not going to shoot him...criminals should have guns because the average joe has guns....

[Jeffy25]

most guns are a level of reassurance for many Americans.....many that carry them will never shoot them.

[RickD]

Have you ever been threatened with a gun or other such lethal force?

I have not been threatened with a gun, I have had guys taking swings at me and threaten, verbally to kill me.

[Jeffy25]

criminals should have guns because the average joe has guns....

they got them anyway, regardless if it is legally allowed or not. they can get them from any peddler on the street that wants to sell one....how do you think South Central L.A. is over run with guns? how many of the gang related murders are actually related to legal citizens carrying guns?

The problem is, the bad guys are gonna get em anyway, why would you not allow the good guys to have them too?

[filihok]

i still don't know where anyone is getting that people are going to be filling their closests with weaponry.

http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?p=1281288

The debate is about being allowed the right to have a gun, concealed on your person in your home, or in your car. you should be allowed to do so as it is our God given right to protect our families.

I don't believe in gods

No one has said let's take the right and let's beat it up and carry machine guns and rocket launchers...

As I mentioned before, the amendment was most likely intended to preserve the citizens' right to take up arms against the government. If we are taking the FF words as word, then we would need some heavy artillery to go against the armed forces.

having a solitary revlover, a 9, a shotgun, something to protect you and your loved one's in the event that something actually would happen is a smart decision by any man who has a family....

Says you, many smart people disagree

you will be damn happy you have it in the case that something happens.....God forbid of course....and you as a responsible parent and family man, need to also understand the necessary precations to keeping this weapon away from your children.

A couple points that I think I need to make:

1) In reality, all this "Constitutional right to keep and bear arms", and "intent of the Founding Fathers" is useless. As wonderfully as these men created the Constitution they left it open to be changed and they could not see 200 years into the future.

2) I'm not 'pro-gun' nor am I 'anti-gun'. I think that communities should be given the choice. If a community decides for itself that it wants to be gun free (as DC did) then that should be respected. The Supreme Court, in overturning the handgun ban did something quite un-American (though growing more popular every day) it took away the people's right to choose.

[Jeffy25]

I have not been threatened with a gun, I have had guys taking swings at me and threaten, verbally to kill me.

and those are not worthy times to whip out a gun...people are crazy, yes....but you don't need a gun in those situations.

for me, if someone breaks into my home and i am there with my family....then god damnit i am going to protect my family by any means necessary...I would kill to save my unborn child...if i thought there was a chance that that child was going to be taken from this earth innocently. Many different extremes have to happen first, but my job, as a father, is to protect, how can you say it is ok to take those rights away from me to protect? I am not gonig to go on some shooting spree just because i get a gun and get trigger happy, and most law abiding citizens are likewise in those thoughts.