he did that a lot last year, and fuko wasn't hitting, so it was all righties, management helped, but lou didn't seem to try and fix that, it lead to hitters being lead together and just sitting down on the same pitchesOriginally Posted by TheBest21
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he did that a lot last year, and fuko wasn't hitting, so it was all righties, management helped, but lou didn't seem to try and fix that, it lead to hitters being lead together and just sitting down on the same pitches
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They'd get more value out of him if they used him in the highest leverage situations, regardless of inning, and the same goes for any other "relief ace".
Well, the Cubs have been.
I'd use him in the middle of the order, as well, though.
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Personally, the reason I don't like him, as i have expressed before. just like why I don't like players like manny, zambrano etc. they are up and down, all over the place, and if they ain't happy, your team ain't winning...it seems to be more about the individual then the team...i HATE that (personally) everytime the cards have had those types of players, I am soo friggin happy when they are gone. J.D. Drew was one for example.
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You could get more value out of all of the "best relievers on the team" if you used them longer in situations where outs are desperately required, rather than holding them back for 3 outs in the ninth. Gregg shouldn't be there. If you don't want to use Marmol there, surely there's another pitcher between Marmol and Gregg down in that bullpen. If there isn't that bullpen is in trouble.
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Yep, excellent point HGM. It's in his "DNA" so to speak. Or at least it's what he's stated is his goal.
But wouldn't you agree that a truly "good" manager would have some way of convincing him otherwise??? This is part of the "human" element that is missing in the analysis of baseball sometimes.
Maybe Lou Piniella isn't the guy to do it, but wouldn't you agree that this is where manager's can have an even bigger affect than the daily "X's and O's" so to speak?
These are the types of decisions that intrigue me. For an example, why is Manny Acta batting Millegde leadoff???
Sure, he's got great speed (I could think of at least THREE Nats that do though), but WTF??? He's NEVER (so far as I can remember) shown the discipline a leadoff should show. In fact, he's NEVER lived up to what his physical capabilities should produce, but that's another question. But his getting on-base ability isn't what you want with a lead-off hitter (and I admittedly am saying that without checking the stats, it's just with personal observation, so I might be wrong), so why does this type of stuff occur?
If I were the manager of the Cubs, I would have Marmol as the closer, and it wouldn't be close (that's why I chose Marmol in the draft btw), yet this decision isn't the only one that makes me go WTF?
I really hate to think I'm so arrogant as to think I know more than the professionals, but isn't it possible that the professionals are wrong sometimes too???????
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spot on, again OFG, I have been agreeing with you a lot lately (weird!)Yep, excellent point HGM. It's in his "DNA" so to speak. Or at least it's what he's stated is his goal.
But wouldn't you agree that a truly "good" manager would have some way of convincing him otherwise??? This is part of the "human" element that is missing in the analysis of baseball sometimes.
Maybe Lou Piniella isn't the guy to do it, but wouldn't you agree that this is where manager's can have an even bigger affect than the daily "X's and O's" so to speak?
These are the types of decisions that intrigue me. For an example, why is Manny Acta batting Millegde leadoff???
Sure, he's got great speed (I could think of at least THREE Nats that do though), but WTF??? He's NEVER (so far as I can remember) shown the discipline a leadoff should show. In fact, he's NEVER lived up to what his physical capabilities should produce, but that's another question. But his getting on-base ability isn't what you want with a lead-off hitter (and I admittedly am saying that without checking the stats, it's just with personal observation, so I might be wrong), so why does this type of stuff occur?
If I were the manager of the Cubs, I would have Marmol as the closer, and it wouldn't be close (that's why I chose Marmol in the draft btw), yet this decision isn't the only one that makes me go WTF?
I really hate to think I'm so arrogant as to think I know more than the professionals, but isn't it possible that the professionals are wrong sometimes too???????
I think it's simply a lack of a great manager (Lou) not being a great manager in that situation. You never let an employee get special treatment because that is what they like, or that is how they "think" they will best perform. You put them in the situation to help your team win the best, and you find a way to make them help your team by using them where their abilities best help everyone win. Not what that individual thinks they should be doing. You are the boss for a reason, you get paid the big bucks (not in professional baseball of course) to make these kinds of difficult decisions.
Lou has to have some true reason for it, I can't imagine what it is though, numbers say plenty of why he shouldn't be a leadoff hitter, and with his uppercut, he is a middle lineup hitter with speed, like a carlos beltran.
I would be putting Soriano later in that lineup, until I was shown a better reason not to put him there, and if soriano doesnt' like it, so what? he is getting paid like 17 mil a year to help a team win a championship....he needs to just do it. unless there is (like I said) some other reason for it
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Wasn't there a study done somewhere about the effects of lineups being pretty minimal? As long as you have your best guys getting more AB's you should be okay.
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I'm a believer in small ball. moving runners around, having the best guy up in the best situation because you managed it to be that way. you create opportunities to give you the upper hand...the billy martin style of managing a team.
If true, if that was accurate, then sure why not. just throw albert leadoff, k greene second, molina could bat third etc...just throw them everywhere. I disagree, but a study would be cool to see.
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There's been many studies done. The difference between the worst possible lineup and the best possible lineup is large. But, the differences between reasonable lineups are minimal, a couple of runs per year.
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Well, lineups do have an effect, and obviously no you don't want to bat someone like DeWayne Wise leadoff. Just saying that the difference between Soriano batting leadoff and 2/3/4/5 is probably not going to make much of a difference over the course of a season. You're obviously better off with an 'optimal' lineup, but if you've got your best hitters around the top you'll be fine.
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you are probably right. I just believe that you should be putting your best possible lineup out there everytime...i don't know why you wouldn't. Give guys days off etc of course...but i just see Soriano as an alarming mistake to have leadoff. of course, I don't mind it when the cards play them, since I see it as a mistake.
Take for example when LaRussa bats the pitcher 8th. it's so albert can be used as more of a cleanup hitter and possibly drive more runs in....overall the benefits aren't major for this, but there are possible benefits in doing so...I like that LaRussa does that.
I like that coming into the season, we had a very specific number of left handed, and right handed hitters and relievers, that everyone has a role, and when everyone accomplishes their jobs the team as a whole will be very successful. That's how I think teams should be ran....maybe i'm just a jerk for beating this one into the ground....i'll tuck away into my covers now and be good
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haha, sorry. ur rightYou just can't take your big boss man hat off can you?
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