Papelbon says Ramirez was a 'cancer'

[etothep]

Well, there goes Papelbon's cred in these forums. Poor guy.



Guess he didn't get the memo that team chemistry doesn't mean anything.

I'm sure he'll get reminded of it in this thread.

haha, exactly what i was thinking

[reflections]

I think the questioning by the reporter is what caused the Manny issue to be rehashed if you ask me. You know those reporters, they cant let a story die.

True. I had only seen a report on ESPN about it, but having read it and knowing it's Esquire magazine.....still though. If you can't say it to a man's face, don't be a punk and rag about him in a magazine....especially months later.
Let's people in forums do that. lol.


Here is a question.
Does this hurt Manny's hall of fame votes?
To me he is a sure Hall Of Famer, but doesn't he barely make it or even take more than one year?

[HoustonGM]

Manny makes the Hall. By the time he's up for election, his antics will be considered a colorful part of his character, similar to say Rabbit Maranville and Rube Waddell.

[reflections]

Manny makes the Hall. By the time he's up for election, his antics will be considered a colorful part of his character, similar to say Rabbit Maranville and Rube Waddell.

Thats what I figured, unless of course the HOF voters are all Boston sportswriters by then.

[OldFatGuy]

Here is a question.
Does this hurt Manny's hall of fame votes?

He can probably forget about the Boston writers with votes voting for him.

And there's always one or two that like to make the baseball Hall of Fame be Life Hall of Fame, and hold anything "character" related against them. So, he may lose a few, is all.

But he's a Hall of Famer. No doubt. First ballot.

Unless he bets on baseball I guess.

[haveacigar]

He has absolutely no steroid connections and he's killing the ball at 37. He could get to 700 HR if he's lucky. Anyone who won't put him in the HOF because he had an ugly exit from Boston needs to get over themselves.

[BINGLEBOP]

I don't think he will, but him staying healthy and wanting to play that long will determine it more than if he's "lucky" or not.

[haveacigar]

I don't think he will, but him staying healthy and wanting to play that long will determine it more than if he's "lucky" or not.

Lucky as in lucky to be playing at a high level when he's 41 years old.

[gRYFYN1]

I don't think he will, but him staying healthy and wanting to play that long will determine it more than if he's "lucky" or not.

I'm amazed that anyone would think he's not a HoFer. His offesive numbers are off the chart, so far as to mitigate his flakey defending.

[OldFatGuy]

I'm amazed that anyone would think he's not a HoFer. His offesive numbers are off the chart, so far as to mitigate his flakey defending.

Just for clarification (and in fact I might be reading your post wrong too), but I think good 'ol Binglebop meant he doesn't think he's going to get to 700 HR's, not that he doesn't think he's getting in the hall.

Might be reading both posts wrong though. Good chance of that.

I've had a couple.

Damn diet, I gotta have a night off every now and then or I go bonkers.

Well, OK, more bonkers than usual.

[BINGLEBOP]

I'm amazed that anyone would think he's not a HoFer. His offesive numbers are off the chart, so far as to mitigate his flakey defending.

Just for clarification (and in fact I might be reading your post wrong too), but I think good 'ol Binglebop meant he doesn't think he's going to get to 700 HR's, not that he doesn't think he's getting in the hall.

Might be reading both posts wrong though. Good chance of that.

I've had a couple.

Damn diet, I gotta have a night off every now and then or I go bonkers.

Well, OK, more bonkers than usual.

OFG is correct. Sorry for the confusion. He's undoubtedly a Hall of Famer in my opinion. I was replying to haveacigar's comment about him getting to 700 homers if he's lucky.

[gRYFYN1]

Just for clarification (and in fact I might be reading your post wrong too), but I think good 'ol Binglebop meant he doesn't think he's going to get to 700 HR's, not that he doesn't think he's getting in the hall.

Might be reading both posts wrong though. Good chance of that.

I've had a couple.

Damn diet, I gotta have a night off every now and then or I go bonkers.

Well, OK, more bonkers than usual.

Well if thats the case I Don't think he will. he still needs 173, and he was never one to hit 50 HRs and now i doubt he''l top the 35 range. I dont think he'll play at that level till he's 43.

[reflections]

Well if thats the case I Don't think he will. he still needs 173, and he was never one to hit 50 HRs and now i doubt he''l top the 35 range. I dont think he'll play at that level till he's 43.

skillwise I don't know if I put anything past Manny, but it's almost as important that his level of interest stay high.

[dickay]

Who is attacking Papelbon and saying "what happens in the clubhouse, stays in the clubhouse"? I really don't know what the hell you're talking about by saying "hypocrisy is why this is a story."

Who? Its been all over espn tv and radio and I read a piece in cnnsi asking if paps was breaking a clubhouse rule. Mike and mike in the morning dedicated over an hour to it. Its not a story, its something already known but the media is trying like heck to make it one. And as I said, the fact the media and others can criticise players for talking with clichés and the criticise paps for not following a cliche is a joke. That's what I was saying.

[RedsoxRockies]

Who? Its been all over espn tv and radio and I read a piece in cnnsi asking if paps was breaking a clubhouse rule. Mike and mike in the morning dedicated over an hour to it. Its not a story, its something already known but the media is trying like heck to make it one. And as I said, the fact the media and others can criticise players for talking with clichés and the criticise paps for not following a cliche is a joke. That's what I was saying.

Oh. I don't listen to/watch ESPN