Dunn vs Howard

[Wassit3]

ethotep

he said runs...

[Jeffy25]

he said runs...

so he did I apoligize ethothep. I owe you one....but back to topic. I don't think Howard deserves to be number two in MVP voting, when Dunn, who granted is a similar player with lower numbers overall, should be getting such low votes.

It's not like Dunn wasn't helping Arizona get to the playoffs, which they didn't, but none the less. I think Dunn deserves a little more credit...and if he can keep hitting 40 each year, he will end up with some awesome career numbers.

[HoustonGM]

Howard probably won't hit much above .260 ever again with the now famous shift teams use.

Also because the year he hit .313 he had historically ridiculous on-contact numbers that are unsustainable by all but the absolute best players in history (ie. Babe Ruth).

And Howard is getting better pitchers to hit, with guys like Rollins, Utley around him, how could he not? Dunn has never really had much protection, other then a hurt Griffey. and he won't get much more in Washington. I think Dunn could put up similiar numbers if traded for Howard and placed in the Phi lineup.

Blah, "protection" only has a meaningful affect on walk rate.

Dunn deserves a lot more credit than he gets (and Howard a lot less), but them's the brakes when the mainstream media couldn't be bothered to even perform rudimentary player analysis.

[etothep]

Dunn deserves a lot more credit than he gets (and Howard a lot less), but them's the brakes when the mainstream media couldn't be bothered to even perform rudimentary player analysis.

I think the market could be having an affect as well. If Dunn were playing for a team that was either in the playoff hunt every year (like Howard) or on a larger market team (like Howard) he would get more attention.

[dps]

Uh, we had this thread back in 2007.* Part of what I posted at the time was, "Howard has been at least as good as people thought he was going to be, and probably in fact a good bit better than people thought he would be, while Dunn hasn't been as good as people thought he would be." I still think that's a big part of it--Howard has exceeded expectations, while Dunn hasn't quite lived up to expectations that were too high to start with.


*I would have sworn that it was during last season that we had this discussion before, but I had to search for the thread, and it was in September 2007. That thread is here, if anyone is interested: http://www.sportsmogul.com/vbulletin...st872949"http:.

[HoustonGM]

Hm.

People should realize that the only reason Howard is extremely cheap is because he's been playing less. Give Howard two more years, and assuming he still is playing about his current level, he'll be making tons more than Adam Dunn. Than what?

Ryan Howard: $18 million, has performed worse than he was at the time I wrote that
Adam Dunn: $10 million, the same player he's always been.

[BINGLEBOP]

Wow, you're psychic.