A-Roid fesses up..

[acetoolguy]

http://www.comcast.net/articles/spor...guez-Steroids/

My respect level for him just went way up. The truth will do wonders for your image.

(Borrowed jeffys A-roid with assumed permission.).....he he

[ragecage]

Good for him. Im wondering though because he is hated so much that it wont matter that he spoke the truth. But I respect him a lot more than I did now that he really was quite candid with what he was saying.

[acetoolguy]

Yeah, he's still a Yankee, so I have to hate him. I just hate him more respectfully now.

[OregonDuck1989]

Very well done to admit. Those who have admitted have done much better PR wise then those who have denied. (Pettite vs. McGwire)

[boomboom]

I think this is good, I am happy he didn't lie, but one thing about A-rod, he usually tells the truth. If you actually listen to what he says, he is pretty intelligent, and with this, it shows he might have good character.

[reflections]

I think this is good, I am happy he didn't lie, but one thing about A-rod, he usually tells the truth. If you actually listen to what he says, he is pretty intelligent, and with this, it shows he might have good character.

Well he actually did lie before in the Katie Couric interview.
But nice for him to admit it after evidence was starting to come out.

[boomboom]

I forgot about that....

[Red Sox Fan 734]

Do you guys actually believe he stopped taking them in 03????

[Pavelb1]

Do you guys actually believe he stopped taking them in 03????

Yes. Why risk getting caught again?

[TheNamelessPoet]

Yes. Why risk getting caught again?

agreed... he already had his $$$. I find it hard to believe he started ONLY when he already had the contract tho... big question... wasnt palmero on Texas around that time, and putting up monster #'s... like the best in his career???

after careful deliberation

Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG *OPS+  TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP 

 1986 21 CHC NL  22   73    9   18   4  0   3   12   1  1   4   6  .247  .295  .425   91   31   0   0   0   1   4
 1987 22 CHC NL  84  221   32   61  15  1  14   30   2  2  20  26  .276  .336  .543  126  120   0   2   1   1   4
 1988 23 CHC NL 152  580   75  178  41  5   8   53  12  2  38  34  .307  .349  .436  121  253   2   6   6   3  11 AS
 1989 24 TEX AL 156  559   76  154  23  4   8   64   4  3  63  48  .275  .354  .374  104  209   2   2   3   6  18
 1990 25 TEX AL 154  598   72  191  35  6  14   89   3  3  40  59  .319  .361  .468  131  280   2   8   6   3  24 MVP-14
 1991 26 TEX AL 159  631  115  203  49  3  26   88   4  3  68  72  .322  .389  .532  155  336   2   7  10   6  17 MVP-19,AS
 1992 27 TEX AL 159  608   84  163  27  4  22   85   2  3  72  83  .268  .352  .434  123  264   5   6   8  10  10
 1993 28 TEX AL 160  597  124  176  40  2  37  105  22  3  73  85  .295  .371  .554  150  331   2   9  22   5   8 MVP-8
 1994 29 BAL AL 111  436   82  139  32  0  23   76   7  3  54  63  .319  .392  .550  136  240   0   6   1   2  11 MVP-16
 1995 30 BAL AL 143  554   89  172  30  2  39  104   3  1  62  65  .310  .380  .583  145  323   0   5   5   3  12 MVP-11
 1996 31 BAL AL 162  626  110  181  40  2  39  142   8  0  95  96  .289  .381  .546  132  342   0   8  12   3   9 MVP-6
 1997 32 BAL AL 158  614   95  156  24  2  38  110   5  2  67 109  .254  .329  .485  113  298   0   6   6   5  14 MVP-13
 1998 33 BAL AL 162  619   98  183  36  1  43  121  11  7  79  91  .296  .379  .565  144  350   0   4   8   7  14 SS,MVP-18,AS
 1999 34 TEX AL 158  565   96  183  30  1  47  148   2  4  97  69  .324  .420  .630  159  356   0   9  14   3  12 SS,MVP-5,AS
 2000 35 TEX AL 158  565  102  163  29  3  39  120   2  1 103  77  .288  .397  .558  137  315   0   7  17   3  14
 2001 36 TEX AL 160  600   98  164  33  0  47  123   1  1 101  90  .273  .381  .563  141  338   0   6   8   7   8 MVP-14
 2002 37 TEX AL 155  546   99  149  34  0  43  105   2  0 104  94  .273  .391  .571  146  312   0   7  16   6  10
 2003 38 TEX AL 154  561   92  146  21  2  38  112   2  0  84  77  .260  .359  .508  117  285   0   4   9   5   7
 2004 39 BAL AL 154  550   68  142  29  0  23   88   2  1  86  61  .258  .359  .436  108  240   0   9  15   6  15
 2005 40 BAL AL 110  369   47   98  13  0  18   60   2  0  43  43  .266  .339  .447  108  165   0   8   4   2   9
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 20 Seasons        10472      3020     38     1835     40    1348  .288  .371  .515  132       15 119 171  87 231
               2831      1663      585    569       97   1353                            5388
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 162 Game Avg        599   95  173  33  2  33  105   6  2  77  77  .288  .371  .515  132  308   1   7  10   5  13
 Career High    162  631  124  203  49  6  47  148  22  7 104 109  .324  .420  .630  159  356   5   9  22  10  24

interesting that the years are at the TOP of his game when him and A-Rod were together...

[BINGLEBOP]

Except for, you know, 1993-2000.

[TheNamelessPoet]

hmmm... is Palmero one of the links here???


Rafael Palmeiro played with Jose Canseco for the 1993 Texas Rangers

Rafael Palmeiro played with Armando Benitez for the 1997 Baltimore Orioles
Armando Benitez played with Jason Giambi for the 2003 New York Yankees

Rafael Palmeiro played with Dennis Eckersley for the 1986 Chicago Cubs
Dennis Eckersley played with Jason Giambi for the 1995 Oakland Athletics
(before you all say im crazy... Canseco said this started 25 years ago right??? Until we stop seeing things he wrote in his book PROVEN.... We may want to believe him)


Rafael Palmeiro played with Jose Canseco for the 1993 Texas Rangers
Jose Canseco played with Jason Giambi for the 1997 Oakland Athletics

Rafael Palmeiro played with Juan Gonzalez for the 1990 Texas Rangers


Rafael Palmeiro played with Kevin Brown for the 1992 Texas Rangers
Kevin Brown played with Paul Lo Duca for the 2001 Los Angeles Dodgers

Rafael Palmeiro played with Ken Caminiti for the 2001 Texas Rangers

There is 1 name that keep coming up but it could just be because he played for so many teams... Jesse Orrosco... I know he did play a LONG time and still did pretty damn well in his 40's (which may mean absolutely NOTHING)

[TheNamelessPoet]

Except for, you know, 1993-2000.

What I was trying to prove is that when a player is generaly starting to fade he did not... and ironicly when A-Rod took the roids... was when palmero was putting up the highest slugging #'s of his career aside from the #'s he put up when he was in his mid to late 20's. Don't you all find that a little odd?

[HoustonGM]

Do you guys actually believe he stopped taking them in 03????

He either did stop taking them, or has been taking undetectable steroids. I find the former more probable.

interesting that the years are at the TOP of his game when him and A-Rod were together...

Palmeiro's best years came in 1991, 1993, and 1999, all when A-Rod was not on his team. You can't simply look at his home run totals because:

a) The entire offensive environment was higher.
b) His second stint in Texas came in a different ballpark, a hitter's park, than his first stint when Texas's park was a pitcher's park.

(before you all say im crazy... Canseco said this started 25 years ago right??? Until we stop seeing things he wrote in his book PROVEN.... We may want to believe him)

Tom House has admitted to taking steroids in the late 60's and early 70's, and claims that MANY, MANY players were experimenting with them at that time. He put the number at "6 or 7 pitchers per team." Baseball players have been using steroids since steroids have been invented - and they've been attempting to use drugs to enhance performance since the game began.

What I was trying to prove is that when a player is generaly starting to fade he did not... and ironicly when A-Rod took the roids... was when palmero was putting up the highest slugging #'s of his career aside from the #'s he put up when he was in his mid to late 20's. Don't you all find that a little odd?

Not at all, once you adjust for the other factors such as league environment and park factors.

[oriole^]

Count me as one who isn't very impressed with this.

I'm going with my gut here: I don't think he's telling the truth. He's obviously lied in the past, he didn't admit it until confronted with evidence, and I find the admission that he only took them with Texas and stopped as soon as he joined the Yankees to be quite disingenuous. A bit too convenient, given his current circumstances.

Put it this way: he says he took them in Texas to try and "justify the contract". Well, he's still the highest-paid player ever, and now he's on the biggest stage in all of baseball, and possibly in all of sport. Wouldn't that tend to imply that he has more reason to take them now, not less?