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    Re: A-Roids?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
    Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and if they wish to abandon baseball because of this, then by all means do so. Enjoy other sports, or, since they likely aren't pure either, perhaps you could get into reading or writing. Though if you're reading, better not look into the author's past much. You might get disappointed by some their behaviors as well.

    I hope those that leave the game find enjoyment in something else, as life is much too hard and disappointing to not have some pleasures, so I do wish you the best. But please, if you can admit to wanting to leave the game, you should also be man enough to admit that this perception of the game is "less pure" today than some fantasy age years ago is just that, a fantasy.

    In the 60's and 70's, the drug of choice was speed. And at some point I'll wager my last dollar that nearly every great we've heard of used it at least once. Most more. Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Frank Robinson, Brooks Robinson, Sandy Koufax, Bob Gibson, Johnny Bench, Pete Rose, and the list goes on. You can believe they're all pure until the end of time, but believing it doesn't make it so.

    Babe Ruth, the most famous name in baseball, broke the laws of this country so many times if he were ever held accountable, he'd have to live 5 lives to serve the time. In fact, he used to brag about breaking those laws. Not to mention rumors of other stuff he may/may not have done. And how many of those players from those times went out every night and broke the laws of our country, and supported organized crime by doing so???? Why, with their lifestyles and income, one could make a plausible case that were it not for ballplayers, organized crime may not have become near as big as it did. But that doesn't matter right? Fine, that's your right.

    I love the game. Always have, from the first time my father threw me a ball and I tried to hit it with a bat, to the first time I smelled the grass and peanuts at the balllpark, to the faster paced, 30 channels of action on my DirectTV today. The game is pure, the players that play it not so much. Never have been. Because the players that play it are men, and like men in every other industry, they are imperfect.

    And that's another reason to love the game IMO. When I see Manny loaf out if left or running to first I want to scream, then when I see him swing that bat like almost no other man alive and hit a pitch an inch off the ground soaring over the left center field wall, I want jump in my TV screen and touch him, because he must be a God.

    When Roger Clemens throws a broken bat at another player I want to wring his neck, then when as a 40 something (whether on drugs or not, once you get to be in your 40's you'll see) he's throwing strikes, with less velocity than he used to have but with just as much guts and guile and cleverness he works 7 innings of three hit ball against men half his age (many of whom are taking the same drugs), I marvel.

    I could list a thousand reasons why I'm disappointed in baseball, and then start over and list a thousand more. And one could lists millions of reasons to not like the players that play them, the owners that own them, and the umpires that call them, because they are all men.

    But when I hear those words for the first time in spring, "Play Ball", and see the spit, and hear the crack of the bat, all those thousands and millions of negatives float out of my old memory, and for just a little while, I'm a kid again. And at my age, that is priceless. I'll love this game until I die. And I'll miss those of you that choose to abandon it. Good luck.
    Nice write up

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    Re: A-Roids?

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    Oh my god. Really?
    WTF is wrong people?

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    I would like to know when Chris Donnells, Shane Monahan, Fernando Vina, F.P. Santangelo, and the like are going to receive their invitations to testify to Congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    I would like to know when Chris Donnells, Shane Monahan, Fernando Vina, F.P. Santangelo, and the like are going to receive their invitations to testify to Congress.
    Let the sleeping dog lie. Jesus Christ.

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    Re: A-Roids?

    Question: What's a rough estimate of how many percent of baseball players used PEDs during the 'steroid era'?

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    Cummings said he sent a letter to Rodriguez yesterday asking him to join him in efforts to educate young people about the perils of drug use.

    Lol, yeah right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slingshot View Post
    Question: What's a rough estimate of how many percent of baseball players used PEDs during the 'steroid era'?
    I would say a minimum of 30 percent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slingshot View Post
    Question: What's a rough estimate of how many percent of baseball players used PEDs during the 'steroid era'?
    It's anybody's guess. Estimates from players like Jose Canseco and Ken Caminiti range from 50% to 80% or so. Shane Monahan said that when he was in Seattle, the only player he didn't see take amphetamines was Dan Wilson. Tom House claimed that as far back as the early 70's, 6-7 pitchers per team were trying steroids. So, eyewitness "estimates" vary.

    I'd say that at a bare minimum, the majority of players at least tried something at some point or another.

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    Re: A-Roids?

    "Rodriguez makes it easy for Gammons", pfff.

    His every question (or lack thereof) was sure to be picked apart by fans, media critics and radio hosts, understandable given the fact that Rodriguez's camp specifically requested him.

    Not Jeremy Schaap or Bob Ley, the network's top studio interview bulldogs, and not other networks' star interrogators, such as Bob Costas or even his old pal Katie Couric.

    Nope, Rodriguez wanted Gammons, a veteran baseball insider who in the past has been relatively sympathetic to him. Is that kosher?

    Lol, this cracks me up too. Are they serious? I feel like the Gammons interview was very effective and had they gone with someone else it would have been worse with them grilling A-Rod and not having a productive interview. A-Rod requested Gammons and felt comfortable opening up. That's my take.

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    Re: A-Roids?

    Quote Originally Posted by bucher34 View Post
    "Rodriguez makes it easy for Gammons", pfff.




    Lol, this cracks me up too. Are they serious? I feel like the Gammons interview was very effective and had they gone with someone else it would have been worse with them grilling A-Rod and not having a productive interview. A-Rod requested Gammons and felt comfortable opening up. That's my take.
    I agree with you. Gammons was sensitive to Rodriguez, yet effective. he asked the difficult questions and was very thourough. I think Gammons was a perfect pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    "Back in the day"? When was that? When the drug of choice was animal testicle extract? Or when players were speed junkies? Or when players of the 1960's and 70's were experimenting with steroids?

    Sorry, this "back in the day" of a pristine, clean game that people talk about, exists only in their imagination.
    You missed my following paragraph...here...I wont get excited if records are in danger, ill just think good for him, that needle helped him get somewhere where someone else did it with hard work and the occasional snort or scuff if that. Big whoopie. Im disappointed in the players, but I understand why they made that choice. Its all about the money.

    Really? You'll never buy another piece of baseball memoribilia? Never go to another baseball game? Never purchase another baseball video game? Fine, let's say thats true. I assume then that you're also going to stop watching baseball on TV, never turn on MLB Network, etc. right?
    Well I dont really fork over money in my wallet to watch baseball on TV, but as far as the other stuff, Yes to those questions. Actually Ill correct myself, Ill still go watch Single A baseball for dollar beer nites, but thats all I will do.
    The heroes of your childhood were no better than the heroes of today. Face it. Athletes in every sport have been doing anything they can to win since the concept of winning was created. Athletes in every sport have been experimenting with performance-enhancing drugs since who the hell knows when, but it's certainly not a recent phenomenon.
    I think its more extreme to inject PED into you than taking amphetamines or scuffing a ball. Its just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragecage View Post
    I think its more extreme to inject PED into you than taking amphetamines or scuffing a ball. Its just my opinion.
    Amphetamines are PED's. And do you really think that if there was more available to those players, they wouldn't have done it? Players have always been taking whatever they can in efforts to improve their performance. Just because there's more "extreme" versions out today doesn't mean that today's players are committing worse acts than those of the past.

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    he's not going to change his opinion rage, regardless of how much information you throw here. its become a shouting match of which you can't win. time to hang it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    Amphetamines are PED's. And do you really think that if there was more available to those players, they wouldn't have done it? Players have always been taking whatever they can in efforts to improve their performance. Just because there's more "extreme" versions out today doesn't mean that today's players are committing worse acts than those of the past.
    I agree to disagree with you HGM, I see what you are saying, but I dont feel it. Sorry.

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