Manny to St. Louis

[HoustonGM]

Good point.

[metsguy234]

Well, I'm just happy that it appears the Mets won't be getting Manny. Our OF is fine, we don't have "gigantic holes" in it. Tatis/Murphy/Evans in left, Beltran in center, Church in right, and the plethora of crappy OF (Reed, Sullivan, Kielty, Mackowiak, Anderson, etc) backing them up. I'm satisfied with that.

[YEAH DAAAAWG]

Our OF is fine, we don't have "gigantic holes" in it. Tatis/Murphy/Evans in left

Yeah, because who wants a guy that's good for .300/.400/.500 with 35 homers and 130 RBI's in place of Fernando Tatis, Daniel Murphy and Nick Evans?

[metsguy234]

Yeah, because who wants a guy that's good for .300/.400/.500 with 35 homers and 130 RBI's in place of Fernando Tatis, Daniel Murphy and Nick Evans?

Manny is like 37 and wants a 4 year deal, that's absurd.

[eggson27]

Manny is like 37 and wants a 4 year deal, that's absurd.

Are you going to go on another rant about how players over 35 can't play anymore? Even though you think he's 37 (he is actually 36), he can still play and consistently put up fantastic numbers. Every player is different and declines differently. For all we know, he could still hit .300 with 30 homers when he is 40 years old.

[YEAH DAAAAWG]

Manny is like 37 and wants a 4 year deal, that's absurd.

And? Manny at 37 (he's actually 36 as eggson pointed out) is better than Tatis, Evans and Murphy combined. Plus there's no way he's gonna get a four-year deal at this point.

[justanewguy]

Metsguy is 100% correct. Manny (or Boras) wanting a 4 year deal is absolutely absurd.

Especially when you consider his questionable track record in terms of giving 100%, the fact that his main suitors are all NL teams, that he plays poor defense, that the current economic climate is junk, and that there are some great players still unsigned that may be settling for one year deals.

[haveacigar]

Manny for 4 years is absurd. But he can't get 4 years if no one offers for years, and no one has, so who cares. 246 years for Pujols would be absurd too, as long as we're talking about deals that won't ever happen.

Tatis/Evans/Murphy is the very definition of gaping hole. And Ryan Church isn't a whole lot more than replacement level. Even if Manny signed a 4 year deal with the Mets with the understanding that he'd be a complete albatross in year 4, and lets say for the sake of argument, year 3 (although I think he'll still be very good 3 and 4 years down the line), you're still getting 2 years of being easily the most powerful team in the NL. I'd have no problem if the Dodgers gambled on years 3 and 4 if it was the difference between having him or not at all.

[HoustonGM]

Well, I'm just happy that it appears the Mets won't be getting Manny. Our OF is fine, we don't have "gigantic holes" in it. Tatis/Murphy/Evans in left, Beltran in center, Church in right, and the plethora of crappy OF (Reed, Sullivan, Kielty, Mackowiak, Anderson, etc) backing them up. I'm satisfied with that.

I count two huge holes.

[haveacigar]

I count two huge holes.

hey, Fernando Tatis had a 123 OPS+ last year, so, that's legit. AND, they just signed Bobby Kietly. His hair fills like 4 gaping lineup holes on its own.

[TheNamelessPoet]

Manny is like 37 and wants a 4 year deal, that's absurd.

i GUARENTEE the 1st team to offer him 3 years guarenteed will get him. they over paid for Beltran and Pedro... why not give that extra year to get Manny. Nots not like NY has no money.

[justanewguy]

246 years for Pujols would be absurd too

Depends on how much $$$...

I'd have no problem if the Dodgers gambled on years 3 and 4 if it was the difference between having him or not at all.

In the case of a 4 year deal, or 3 guaranteed years, I would. I'd take my chances with...

1) Furcal
2) Kemp
3) Ethier
4) Loney
5) Martin
6) Blake
7) DeWitt
8) Pierre/Young

... (in a pretty bad division) before I'd sign Manny to 3 or more guaranteed years. I'm all about a third year based on second year incentives, but not 3 guaranteed. No... way...

I count two huge holes.

There are two massive holes. But considering how good their infield is, how good their CF is (well above average), and that they do have quite a bit of depth in the OF, they're not really in a precarious situation the way some other teams are. When I say "other teams," I really mean the Giants. I hate the Giants (of course), and I want Manny back in blue, but if I were Sabean, I'd pull the trigger on Manny yesterday.

Interesting thing about Manny... if ANY decent team in all of baseball picked him up, they'd be instant favorites, or at least extremely legit contenders, for their division. Red Sox, Yankees, Indians, White Sox, Angels, Dodgers, Giants, Cardinals, Mets...

AND, they just signed Bobby Kietly. His hair fills like 4 gaping lineup holes on its own.

Hahahaha...

[YEAH DAAAAWG]

I'd say their CF is the best in baseball, head and shoulders, right now.

[HoustonGM]

I'd say their CF is the best in baseball, head and shoulders, right now.

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[justanewguy]

I'd say their CF is the best in baseball, head and shoulders, right now.

Bulletin board material for my mancrush, Matt Kemp!

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Haha... seriously.