All-Time Positional Rankings

[HoustonGM]

So again, you agree with the HoM on all 19 selections?

I can't REALLY say for sure until I rank non-HoM players as well, and then do an overall ranking, but currently, I'm not sold on Bill Terry and Jake Beckley, and only agree on Joe Start if I give him credit for his play in the 1860's.

[justanewguy]

Killebrew spent 791 games at third and 471 games at left field, and was a butcher at both positions, particularly at third, which drags his overall ranking down a good deal. You also have to factor in him being a plodder on the basepaths.

Makes sense.

Clark and Hernandez are really, really similar. They could easily go in any order. Comparable peaks and careers.

Hernandez was in Seinfeld, though.

[kenny1234]

I can't REALLY say for sure until I rank non-HoM players as well, and then do an overall ranking, but currently, I'm not sold on Bill Terry and Jake Beckley, and only agree on Joe Start if I give him credit for his play in the 1860's.

I think I agree with your ranking - but my cutoff for the HOF would end below Killebrew and above Clark/Hernandez. Both were very good players - but not quite good enough in a small HOF that I'd prefer.

[HoustonGM]

I think I agree with your ranking - but my cutoff for the HOF would end below Killebrew and above Clark/Hernandez. Both were very good players - but not quite good enough in a small HOF that I'd prefer.

Yeah, the Hall of Merit is (intentionally) the same size as the Hall of Fame, in terms of number of players.

[kenny1234]

Yeah, the Hall of Merit is (intentionally) the same size as the Hall of Fame, in terms of number of players.

I know - it was just interesting to me that the cutoff for a small HOF seems very clearcut at first base (aside from the Negro Leagues where I have no information). There is a huge gap in value from Killebrew to Clark.

[metsguy234]

Boyer is basically the consensus worse third basemen in there. Meanwhile, the real life Hall's worst third basemen is probably Freddie Lindstrom. Compare those guys, why don't you?

Lindstrom did better then Boyer, his career was just shorter.

[metsguy234]

LOL this Hall of Merit must be a big April Fool's Joke. Will Clark? Ken Boyer?

[RedsoxRockies]

LOL this Hall of Merit must be a big April Fool's Joke. Will Clark? Ken Boyer?

Will Clark was a great player, and Ken Boyer had better longevity and was slightly better then Lindstrom. The real HOF is an April Fools joke

[HoustonGM]

Lindstrom did better then Boyer, his career was just shorter.

Boyer had a 116 OPS+ in 8,268 plate appearances, and played very good defense. Lindstrom had a 109 OPS+ in 6104 plate appearances, and the metrics indicate average to solid defense but nothing special. Lindstrom did not do better than Boyer at anything AND had a much shorter career.

LOL this Hall of Merit must be a big April Fool's Joke. Will Clark? Ken Boyer?

Okay, know-it-all, which first basemen besides the ones I listed above Will Clark on my list are better than Will Clark?

Also, these players you're using to call the HoM an "April Fool's Joke" are, by the consensus of the voters, the weaker group of players. Have you ever taken a look at the weaker group in the Hall of Fame? Because, THAT'S a joke.

[RedsoxRockies]

Boyer had a 116 OPS+ in 8,268 plate appearances, and played very good defense. Lindstrom had a 109 OPS+ in 6104 plate appearances, and the metrics indicate average to solid defense but nothing special. Lindstrom did not do better than Boyer at anything AND had a much shorter career.


Okay, know-it-all, which first basemen besides the ones I listed above Will Clark on my list are better than Will Clark?

ezuidgndfioy8 Must you always post the same things I do, in more detail?

[metsguy234]

Boyer had a 116 OPS+ in 8,268 plate appearances, and played very good defense. Lindstrom had a 109 OPS+ in 6104 plate appearances, and the metrics indicate average to solid defense but nothing special. Lindstrom did not do better than Boyer at anything AND had a much shorter career.

Except, you know, batting average and OBP... and 2 less seasons is "much shorter" ? (Lindstrom played 12, Boyer played 14)

[HoustonGM]

Except, you know, batting average and OBP...

There's also this thing called offensive environment, which is why I posted their respective OPS+'s. Lindstrom played in the late 20's and early 30's, which was a high offensive environment. Boyer played in the 60's, which was the lowest offensive environment since the deadball era.

Lindstrom's .351 OBP was basically league average which was .349. Boyer had a .349 OBP...but the average during his career was .335.

and 2 less seasons is "much shorter" ? (Lindstrom played 12, Boyer played 14)

Lindstrom played in 13 different seasons, Boyer in 15. That's #1. #2 is that that's an awfully crazy way to look at who had a longer career, considering Lindstrom had 7 seasons of 130+ games while Boyer had 12.

[metsguy234]

In honor of the truly prestigious () Hall of Merit, I propose a Sports Mogul Baseball Hall of OK... Every player who was an OK player during his career can be nominated, but only the most OK of the OK can get elected

[HoustonGM]

Uh, right. Once again, metsguy, I'm telling you for your own good, stop being willfully ignorant.

[metsguy234]

Uh, right. Once again, metsguy, I'm telling you for your own good, stop being willfully ignorant.

The Hall of OK is the perfect place for all of the Ken Boyers and the Will Clarks of the world