Which one's a Hall of Famer?

[HoustonGM]

Player A/Player B

AVG: .295/.298
OBP: .343/.352
SLG: .561/.502
HR: 434/382
RBI: 1404/1451
R: 1061/1249
2B: 388/373
OPS+: 132/128
Btg. Runs: 280.3/294.7

Best OPS+'s:
Player A: 169 149 148 145 141 133 131 130
Player B: 157 154 147 141 136 130 127 123

MVP's: 2/1
Top 5 MVP: 4/6
ASG: 3/8
Top 5 SLG%: 7 (1 1st)/5 (2 1st)
Top 5 OPS+: 1/2 (1 1st)
Top 5 HR: 5 (2 1st)/5 (3 1st)
Top 10 RBI: 9 (1 1st)/9 (2 1st)
Black Ink: 17/33
Gray Ink: 105/176
HOF Standards: 39.5/43
HOF Monitor: 120.5/144.5

Postseason Play:
Player A: .290/.333/.742, 8 HR, 15 RBI in 15 games
Player B: .225/.313/.366, 2 HR, 7 RBI in 18 games

Maybe it's just me, but I find it hard to draw the Hall of Fame in/out line between these two players.

[metsguy234]

They both should be in- I could've sworn Gonzalez's career average was lower, so I'm surprised, but yeah, they both should be in

[HoustonGM]

They both should be in

I can't wait to see how fast you change that when you find out who the second player is.

[metsguy234]

I can't wait to see how fast you change that when you find out who the second player is.

I already did, I added to my post

[RedsoxRockies]

They are Juan Gonzalez and Jim Rice

[metsguy234]

They are Juan Gonzalez and Jim Rice

I realized that

[ragecage]

I think player A, 2 Time MVP and over 400 Homers kind of does it for me. Not to mention he seemed to be quite the force in the postseason.

[HoustonGM]

They both should be in- I could've sworn Gonzalez's career average was lower, so I'm surprised, but yeah, they both should be in

Even though Jose Canseco said Juan Gonzalez did steroids!?!


The point of this is that even putting aside the steroid issue, Juan Gonzalez would likely fall off the HoF ballot very quickly, while Jim Rice will be inducted this spring...but they were both extremely similar players.

(It should be noted that both of Juan Gonzalez's MVP awards were undeserved, but the BBWAA voters don't care about that. All they care about is that he won them. And even with that, he's likely to fall off the ballot quickly, and would still be likely to fall off quickly without the very minuscule steroid taint.)

[RedsoxRockies]

I have to say neither. Juan Gone was good, but he battled too many injuries, and his career was too short. If he had stayed healthy, I would say he would be in.

[metsguy234]

Even though Jose Canseco said Juan Gonzalez did steroids!?!

Juan Gonzalez did steroids? If he did, then that changes my opinion.

[RedsoxRockies]

Juan Gonzalez did steroids? If he did, then that changes my opinion.

[HoustonGM]

Juan Gonzalez did steroids? If he did, then that changes my opinion.

Jose Canseco said Juan Gonzalez did steroids. That is the only evidence that he did.

[metsguy234]

Jose Canseco said Juan Gonzalez did steroids. That is the only evidence that he did.

Well, he was hurt alot, so I'm going to assume he didn't.

[HoustonGM]

Well, he was hurt alot, so I'm going to assume he didn't.

You mean kind of like how Mark McGwire was hurt a lot? And Jose Canseco himself?

[RedsoxRockies]

Jose Canseco said Juan Gonzalez did steroids. That is the only evidence that he did.

It is obviously possible, due to his health meltdown, but that could just as easily be unrelated. And Jose Canseco is not exactly the most trust-worthy guy in the game.