Yanks get Mark Teixeira

[haveacigar]

The crying about Miguel Cabrera not being the franchise player of the Marlins and that being the big market team's faults is pretty hilarious.

the salary cap would be placed probably in the neighborhood of 120 million. Jeffrey Loria spends somewhere between 20 and 30 million a year. How would a salary cap make him and all the other cheap-ass owners spend more? Are you trying to tell me that, with a salary cap: A: Miguel Cabrera would only ask for like 10 mil for 5 years? (no) or B: Loria would just decide to spend 80 mil extra to get near the cap? If he would, that makes him a completely horrible owner.

The salary cap argument is completely ridiculous because the small-market teams don't even try to hold onto their players, and if it weren't the Yankees getting all of the players, someone else would. If the Pirates, Twins, Marlins, etc. don't want to spend $110 mil pre-salary cap, how on earth can I expect them to spend that money with a salary cap? Furthermore, if Teixeira just signs with the Angels or Red Sox, doesn't the same problem still exist regardless of what the Yankees do?

[ohms_law]

The salary cap argument is completely ridiculous because the small-market teams don't even try to hold onto their players,

exactly

[haveacigar]

exactly

Remember when the Twins tried to hold onto Santana? What was their offer, something like 2 years, 45 mil? In what universe was that going to be remotely acceptable, salary cap or no?

[EVEN11323]

No, the Twins offer last year was supposedly 5/100.

[HoustonGM]

See this. The Twins asked Santana to cut them a bit of a break out of "loyalty"...loyalty their ownership group has never shown.

[ragecage]

I cant believe this topic is still being debated. For some of those, if I hear you quitting your job to go to another company because you will get paid more, you will be hypocrites.

[Arctic Blast]

The crying about Miguel Cabrera not being the franchise player of the Marlins and that being the big market team's faults is pretty hilarious.

the salary cap would be placed probably in the neighborhood of 120 million. Jeffrey Loria spends somewhere between 20 and 30 million a year. How would a salary cap make him and all the other cheap-ass owners spend more? Are you trying to tell me that, with a salary cap: A: Miguel Cabrera would only ask for like 10 mil for 5 years? (no) or B: Loria would just decide to spend 80 mil extra to get near the cap? If he would, that makes him a completely horrible owner.

The salary cap argument is completely ridiculous because the small-market teams don't even try to hold onto their players, and if it weren't the Yankees getting all of the players, someone else would. If the Pirates, Twins, Marlins, etc. don't want to spend $110 mil pre-salary cap, how on earth can I expect them to spend that money with a salary cap? Furthermore, if Teixeira just signs with the Angels or Red Sox, doesn't the same problem still exist regardless of what the Yankees do?

Did you just choose to ignore the whole 'Salary FLOOR' part of the discussion, or are you selectively blind? And yes, I DO include the other massive spending teams when I'm talking about this, it's not just some simplistic hatefest of the Yankees.

And since we're speaking about owners cheaping out and not dropping a dime on their own franchise, well, that IS a matter that should be of concern because it makes this whole laughable disparity a thousand times worse. Hell, I say go for the throat...if you can't or won't run your franchise in the best interests of the league, it's auction time for your franchise. After all, eventually fans are going to stop showing up to your games (as is already happening in Florida and did happen in Montreal) which is not exactly a healthy situation for the rest of the sport to have to deal with.

I cant believe this topic is still being debated. For some of those, if I hear you quitting your job to go to another company because you will get paid more, you will be hypocrites.

Yeah, because that's a comparable situation...multimillionaire athlete vs. me making $17.75 an hour to run a warehouse. Besides, we aren't discussing perceived 'greed' on the part of players, so I fail to see why this ridiculous point was even brought up.

[HoustonGM]

Did you just choose to ignore the whole 'Salary FLOOR' part of the discussion, or are you selectively blind? And yes, I DO include the other massive spending teams when I'm talking about this, it's not just some simplistic hatefest of the Yankees.

What other "massive spending teams" are there? As I mentioned earlier, the difference between the Yankees and the number 2 team is as large as the difference between the number 2 and the number 22 team. Yes, there's some teams spending $100 million on salaries and some under $50 million, but I don't see how or why that needs to be changed. The simple fact of the matter is that some teams are better run and make more money, and they shouldn't be penalized and not allowed to reap the benefits of their success.

[Arctic Blast]

What other "massive spending teams" are there? As I mentioned earlier, the difference between the Yankees and the number 2 team is as large as the difference between the number 2 and the number 22 team. Yes, there's some teams spending $100 million on salaries and some under $50 million, but I don't see how or why that needs to be changed. The simple fact of the matter is that some teams are better run and make more money, and they shouldn't be penalized and not allowed to reap the benefits of their success.

Whatever. Look, clearly this is one of those diametrically opposed arguments that's just going to stay that way...and I'm in a frigging crapass mood anyway, so I'm done.

[haveacigar]

Did you just choose to ignore the whole 'Salary FLOOR' part of the discussion, or are you selectively blind? And yes, I DO include the other massive spending teams when I'm talking about this, it's not just some simplistic hatefest of the Yankees.

And since we're speaking about owners cheaping out and not dropping a dime on their own franchise, well, that IS a matter that should be of concern because it makes this whole laughable disparity a thousand times worse. Hell, I say go for the throat...if you can't or won't run your franchise in the best interests of the league, it's auction time for your franchise. After all, eventually fans are going to stop showing up to your games (as is already happening in Florida and did happen in Montreal) which is not exactly a healthy situation for the rest of the sport to have to deal with.



Yeah, because that's a comparable situation...multimillionaire athlete vs. me making $17.75 an hour to run a warehouse. Besides, we aren't discussing perceived 'greed' on the part of players, so I fail to see why this ridiculous point was even brought up.

Well I figured it was implied by the content of my posts that I'm pro-salary floor. But that doesn't change the fact that any sort of salary cap would change nothing except unfairly penalize the Yankees, Mets, and Red Sox for having money. Even with a corresponding salary floor, the salary cap would be a bad idea.

[haveacigar]

*What* players have the Sox come in and bought away with a ludicrous amount of money? 2? Manny and Drew...and Drew was tampering more than anything.

...and just about any team could have afforded to pay Manny 20 mill a year, AND he would have been worth every penny.

Remember that Japanese dude that you guys payed $51 mil to negotiate with?

[ragecage]

Yeah, because that's a comparable situation...multimillionaire athlete vs. me making $17.75 an hour to run a warehouse. Besides, we aren't discussing perceived 'greed' on the part of players, so I fail to see why this ridiculous point was even brought up.

It really is, I dont see how it isnt. Everyone wants to make the most money they can. Loyalty doesnt apply to an occupation.

[Pavelb1]

Remember that Japanese dude that you guys payed $51 mil to negotiate with?

Even allowing the disanalogous signing of Dice-K...that's, what three in 10 years?

[TheNamelessPoet]

it WOULD lower player costs because the high spending teams would not be able to negotiate for the hure f/a guys once they are at the cap

say the cap was 110 million

2008 Team Payrolls 
No. Team Payroll Average 
1. New York Yankees $209,081,579 $6,744,567 
2. Detroit Tigers $138,685,197 $4,622,840 
3. New York Mets $138,293,378 $4,609,779 
4. Boston Red Sox $133,440,037 $4,765,716 
5. Chicago White Sox $121,152,667 $4,487,136 
6. Los Angeles Angels $119,216,333 $4,110,908 
7. Chicago Cubs  $118,595,833 $4,392,438 
8. Los Angeles Dodgers $118,536,038 $4,233,430 
9. Seattle Mariners $117,993,982 $4,538,230 
10. Atlanta Braves $102,424,018 $3,414,134 
11. St. Louis Cardinals $100,624,450 $3,049,226 
12. Toronto Blue Jays $98,641,957 $3,522,927 
13. Philadelphia Phillies $98,269,881 $3,388,617 
14. Houston Astros $88,930,415 $3,293,719 
15. Milwaukee Brewers $81,004,167 $2,793,247 
16. Cleveland Indians $78,970,067 $3,037,310 
17. San Francisco Giants $76,904,500 $2,651,879 
18. Cincinnati Reds $74,277,695 $2,971,108 
19. San Diego Padres $73,677,617 $2,376,697 
20. Colorado Rockies $68,655,500 $2,640,596 
21. Texas Rangers $68,239,551 $2,353,088 
22. Baltimore Orioles $67,196,248 $2,099,883 
23. Arizona Diamondbacks $66,202,713 $2,364,383 
24. Minnesota Twins $62,182,767 $2,487,311 
25. Kansas City Royals $58,245,500 $2,240,212 
26. Washington Nationals $54,961,000 $1,895,207 
27. Pittsburgh Pirates $49,365,283 $1,898,665 
28. Oakland Athletics $47,967,126 $1,713,112 
29. Tampa Bay Rays $43,820,598 $1,460,687 
30. Florida Marlins $21,836,500 $661,712

the top 9 guys would not have been ablt to sign texeria, sabathia, maybe burnett... etc

contracts would have to be shorter because teams would not wnat to cripple themselves... and no more 20+ million contracts. All of a a sudden Toronto can say.. "well wait a minute... ny and boston cant go get better this year... and for 10 mill or so we can get burnett back... now we are competative again.

[HoustonGM]

Than the cap just functions as a wealth transfer from the players to the owners.