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No. They can't keep him because they have an owner whose only concern is making money and he doesn't care about the product the Marlins put on the field. They cut their best reliever (Joe Nelson) because they didn't want to pay him ~$1 million.Originally Posted by rogue9
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So the Marlins have the income necessary to pay Cabrera, Willis, and Rameriz what they would/will/did get from deep pocket teams? and still be profitable for the owner? I don't buy it.
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If the owner actually cared about fielding a winning ball team, yes, probably. Part of the reason the Yankees have so much money is because the Steinbrenner's actually invest their own money into the team. Down in Florida, Loria's sole concern is making his wallet fatter.
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I wasn't talking solely about florida though. There are many other small budget teams.
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Some of the other small budget teams have the disadvantage of being run by idiots for the good part of the last 15-20 years. And those small budget teams that haven't been run by idiots have enjoyed pretty solid success - Oakland, Minnesota, and now that Tampa Bay has a competent GM, them.
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"I think the Steinbrenners, coming off a miserable last season in Yankee Stadium, are dead set on opening the new stadium with a World Series and they don't care how much it costs. Good for them. You can ***** all you want about the Yankees and greed but they spend money in a sincere effort to win it all, every year. What fan wouldn't want their teams to do that."
I put that in quotes because I didn't write it (obviously, because I would've ended it with a question mark), but I think it's interesting who did.
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I don't disagree with you...but for how long are those teams going to be successful? How long until their key guys come up for free agency, and they make a reasonable offer to keep them...only to have the Yankees or the Red Sox or the Mets come in and offer a ludicrous amount of money and buy that player away?
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I don't know how long they'll be successful. The Twins lost both Torii Hunter and Johan Santana, and still came 1 game shy of missing the playoffs. The fact is, intelligence, player development, and shrewd moves matter more than just dollars. (Yes, having more money will allow you to keep your own players longer and give you a higher chance of sustained winning and less ups and downs, but that doesn't mean the other teams have no chance)
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I agree it doesn't mean the other teams have no chance...it DOES mean the other teams have a much shorter chance before they lost too many key guys and have to enter another development cycle.
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If they keep the development cycle going...a la the Twins...though...
I definitely see your point. I just don't really think it's that much of a problem that something needs to be done to hamstring the wealthy teams.
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Exactly.
You insist that there is something a machine cannot do. If you will tell me precisely what it is that a machine cannot do, then I can always make a machine which will do just that! -J. von Neumann
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Its not about hamstringing them, its about shortening the lease a little.
Everyone kisses Billy Beane's ass, and you bring up the Twins. When was the last time these teams won championships? or had a serious chance at winning?
The teams that retain their players are the teams that do well. Tampa and Phillie are good examples.
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*What* players have the Sox come in and bought away with a ludicrous amount of money? 2? Manny and Drew...and Drew was tampering more than anything.
...and just about any team could have afforded to pay Manny 20 mill a year, AND he would have been worth every penny.
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Every time they got into the playoffs they had a serious chance at winning...unless you're suggesting that they were somehow built to do good in the regular season, but the lack of funds lessened their playoff chances...
How is Tampa any different than the Twins or A's? Oh, well, except for the fact that the A's and Twins were/are routinely competitive, and the Rays have just one good season.The teams that retain their players are the teams that do well. Tampa and Phillie are good examples.
And the Phillies aren't a small-market team.
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HGM: I think you're missing the point. The Twins being "competitive" is not the same as the Yankees or (of late) the Sox being "competitive". The mere fact that we're talking in this thread about the Yankees as having had a "poor" season while they won one more game than the "competitive" Twins highlights the exact problem. Run enough seasons and you'll get the Twins finishing ahead of the Yankees every once in a great while, just like the Rays managed to get a pennant...but eventually, the competitive balance will be upset, and those that were on top will immediately be back on top - no development or waiting necessary.
Consider it this way: the last time the Twins had a better season than the Yankees was 1992. Do you think it will happen next season? Will it happen in the next five seasons? What if the Twins could have afforded to re-sign Hunter or Santana to a long-term contract, and the Yankees just couldn't stretch their pocketbook enough to sign Sabathia? Wouldn't those odds change a bit?
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