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Thread: A little project I'm thinking of doing (HGM's Historical MVP/Cy Young Choices)

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    Re: A little project I'm thinking of doing (HGM's Historical MVP/Cy Young Choices)

    HGM Thanks for this....I am glad to see Gator take 2 awards in 78 and sad to see Sparky lose his in 77 but other than that I like what you are doing and the reasoning behind it.

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    Re: A little project I'm thinking of doing (HGM's Historical MVP/Cy Young Choices)

    1941:

    AL MVP: Ted Williams
    NL MVP: Pete Reiser
    AL Cy: Thornton Lee
    NL Cy: Whit Wyatt

    Joe DiMaggio won the 1941 MVP, but sorry, if you bat .406 and get on base 55% of the time, you're the MVP, unless there's somebody better than that, or you were somehow so terrible defensively that you gave back as many runs as you put on the board. The NL BBWAA MVP award went to Dolph Camilli, but I see his teammate Pete Reiser slightly better than him, on the basis of position and defense.

    For the AL Cy Young, it was a clear call. Thornton Lee had a fantastic season. He completed 30 of his 34 starts, throwing 300 innings and compiling a 173 ERA+. Whit Wyatt, my NL choice, had almost as good of a season, throwing 288.1 innings at a 157 ERA+ level.

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    1940:

    AL MVP: Hank Greenberg
    NL MVP: Johnny Mize
    AL Cy: Bob Feller
    NL Cy: Bucky Walters

    I agreed on the AL MVP, but disagreed strongly with the NL choice of Frank McCormick. McCormick, just like my choice, Johnny Mize, was a first basemen. Yes, McCormick was a better fielder than Mize, but Mize trounced the league by nearly 30 points in OPS+. His raw OPS was 200 points higher than McCormick. He hit 34 more home runs. He drove in 10 more runs. McCormick had more doubles, but Mize had 10 more triples than him. Mize walked more. Mize scored more. I can go on and on and on. This was a terrible decision.

    The Cy Young's were pretty easy. Bob Feller had his usual huge season, throwing 320 innings and putting up a 161 ERA+. Bucky Walters, as I mentioned earlier, was helped greatly by the defense behind him, but was still good enough to win this award with 305 innings at a 154 ERA+ level.

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    1939:

    AL MVP: Joe DiMaggio
    NL MVP: Bucky Walters
    AL Cy: Bob Feller
    NL Cy: Bucky Walters

    Agreed on both the MVP's here. The Cy Young winners from last year both repeat. Walters had a weak enough crop of competition from the position players that I think he deserved this MVP. 319 innings, 168 ERA+. Add to that his excellent hitting, a 111 OPS+ in 120 at bats, and he was doing it on both sides of the field! Feller was a step below with 296 innings and a 154 ERA+, but that was easily enough to beat out the rest of the American League pitchers.

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    1938:

    AL MVP: Jimmie Foxx
    NL MVP: Mel Ott
    AL Cy: Red Ruffing
    NL Cy: Bill Lee

    I agreed with Jimmie Foxx in the AL, as he just walloped the ball. The NL award from the BBWAA went to catcher Ernie Lombardi, but I've gotta to give it to Mel Ott, who I have just slightly ahead of Arky Vaughan. For the Cy's, Red Ruffing and Bill Lee were both relatively easy calls. Lee had a 144 ERA+ in 291 innings. Ruffing had a 137 ERA+ in 247 innings.

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    1937:

    AL MVP: Joe DiMaggio
    NL MVP: Joe Medwick
    AL Cy: Lefty Gomez
    NL Cy: Jim Turner

    The BBWAA gave the AL MVP to Charlie Gehringer. DiMaggio, though, placed third in the league to Hank Greenberg and teammate Lou Gehrig in OPS+, while leading the league in home runs and playing terrific defense in center field. The NL MVP going to Joe Medwick, as the BBWAA did, was a pretty easy call. Speaking of easy calls, so was the AL Cy Young. Lefty Gomez had a truly magnificent year with a 191 ERA+ in over 270 innings. Jim Turner was my NL pick, having gone 20-11 with a 152 ERA+ in 256 innings.

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    1936:

    AL MVP: Lou Gehrig
    NL MVP: Arky Vaughan
    AL Cy: Lefty Grove
    NL Cy: Carl Hubbell

    Lou Gehrig was the clear choice in the AL. The BBWAA NL MVP was given to my NL Cy Young choice, Carl Hubbell, though I think his season was just shy of the level needed for him to win both. Arky Vaughan put up a 148 OPS+, a .453 OBP, and was a fantastic defensive shortstop, earning him the honors. The AL Cy Young was Lefty Grove, who in 253 innings had a 188 ERA+, not to be confused with last year's winner, Lefty Gomez.

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    1935:

    AL MVP: Jimmie Foxx
    NL MVP: Arky Vaughan
    AL Cy: Lefty Grove
    NL Cy: Dizzy Dean

    Hank Greenberg won the AL MVP from the BBWAA because he absolutely dominated the league when it came to RBI, driving in 170. Lou Gehrig and Jimmie Foxx, my MVP choice, placed 2nd and 3rd with 119 and 115. Despite the huge RBI advantage, Greenberg trailed both in on-base percentage and OPS while trailing Foxx in slugging. They were all first basemen and pretty similar defensively, so I've given the slight edge to Foxx and his league-leading 182 OPS+. The NL MVP went to Gabby Hartnett, but Vaughan easily trounced him in value. Vaughan had a ridiculous season, quite possibly the best ever by a shortstop not named Honus Wagner. He hit .385/.491/.607, good for a 190 OPS+ which topped the majors (and trounced the National League). Add to that excellent defense up the middle, and it's not a question. The AL Cy Young went to Lefty Grove for the second consecutive year as he threw 273 innings and compiled a 175 ERA+. Dizzy Dean takes home the NL Cy with a 135 ERA+ in 325 innings, making 36 starts and 14 relief appearances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    1941:

    AL MVP: Ted Williams

    Joe DiMaggio won the 1941 MVP, but sorry, if you bat .406 and get on base 55% of the time, you're the MVP, unless there's somebody better than that, or you were somehow so terrible defensively that you gave back as many runs as you put on the board.
    That is an amazing oversight. Wow.

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    1934:

    AL MVP: Lou Gehrig
    NL MVP: Arky Vaughan
    AL Cy: Lefty Gomez
    NL Cy: Carl Hubbell

    Disagreed with both MVP's here. The BBWAA chose Mickey Cochrane in the AL and Dizzy Dean in the NL (who doesn't get my NL Cy Young, either, but that 30-7 record sure is pretty). In the AL, Lou Gehrig put up a sick 208 OPS+, and won the Triple Crown. The clear MVP to me. In the NL, I've got Arky Vaughan getting his third consecutive MVP for the reasons I've previously stated. Lefty Gomez, NOT Grove, wins the AL Cy Young. You'd think these guys were the same guy, as when Grove wasn't up to speed in the 1930's, like this year, Gomez put up a season straight out of Grove's career. In the NL, Dizzy Dean won the MVP from the BBWAA, but I think Carl Hubbell was just slightly better. They pitched an equivalent number of innings, but Hubbell beat Dean 168-159 in ERA+. They went about their fantastic seasons in different ways, as Dean was a strikeout machine (relative to his time), while Hubbell had fantastic control, walking just 37 batters in those 313 innings he pitched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragecage View Post
    That is an amazing oversight. Wow.
    Well, to be fair, the voters at the time weren't as astonished by a .400 season as we are now, as they weren't too far removed from the time when a .400 average was somewhat routine....and 1941 was the year that DiMaggio took the league by storm with his 56 game hitting streak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonGM View Post
    1937:

    AL MVP: Joe DiMaggio
    NL MVP: Joe Medwick
    AL Cy: Lefty Gomez
    NL Cy: Jim Turner

    The BBWAA gave the AL MVP to Charlie Gehringer. DiMaggio, though, placed third in the league to Hank Greenberg and teammate Lou Gehrig in OPS+, while leading the league in home runs and playing terrific defense in center field. The NL MVP going to Joe Medwick, as the BBWAA did, was a pretty easy call. Speaking of easy calls, so was the AL Cy Young. Lefty Gomez had a truly magnificent year with a 191 ERA+ in over 270 innings. Jim Turner was my NL pick, having gone 20-11 with a 152 ERA+ in 256 innings.
    Im kind of confused on this one. Dimaggio wins even though Lou hit better than Joe and also played great Defense at first. Is the only reason Dimaggio is getting MVP is because of the fact CF is harder to play than 1st?

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    1933:

    AL MVP: Jimmie Foxx
    NL MVP: Carl Hubbell
    AL Cy: Lefty Grove
    NL Cy: Carl Hubbell

    Agreed. Not much more to say on this year. Easy calls all around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragecage View Post
    Im kind of confused on this one. Dimaggio wins even though Lou hit better than Joe and also played great Defense at first. Is the only reason Dimaggio is getting MVP is because of the fact CF is harder to play than 1st?
    Great center field defense is WAY more valuable than great first base defense.

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    1932:

    AL MVP: Jimmie Foxx
    NL MVP: Mel Ott
    AL Cy: Lefty Grove
    NL Cy: Lon Warneke

    I agreed on the AL MVP while disagreeing on the NL MVP. Chuck Klein was given the award by the BBWAA and his numbers, on the surface, do appear slightly better than Ott's, so I can't fault the voters of the time for not really paying attention to the thing that separates the two - home park. Ott was helped by his home park a good deal, but Klein's home park, the Baker Bowl, was just a launching pad. Further separating them is Ott's superior defense. The Cy Young's were both easy calls, as Lefty Grove put up a 159 ERA+ in 291.2 innings, and Lon Warneke matched that ERA+, albeit in 277 innings.

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