Ranking the top pitchers since the 1940's

[metsguy234]

ROFL! LMAO! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Your not serious, are you?

I am indeed serious

[Pavelb1]

I am indeed serious

Why do you guys even discuss baseball with him? His Pedro bias alone disqualifies him. And...he's like 14, isn't he?

[metsguy234]

Why do you guys even discuss baseball with him? His Pedro bias alone disqualifies him. And...he's like 14, isn't he?

My Pedro bias?

The dude was awful with the Mets... I have my reasons to hate him

[RedsoxRockies]

My Pedro bias?

The dude was awful with the Mets... I have my reasons to hate him

Pedro is awesome, never insult him. And dude, Pavelb raised a good point. Why do you argue constantly againt logic and give lame reasons?

[metsguy234]

Pedro is awesome, never insult him. And dude, Pavelb raised a good point. Why do you argue constantly againt logic and give lame reasons?

2006 34 NYM NL 9 8 23 23 0 0 0 0 132.7 108 72 66 19 39 137 10 2 550 2 1 4.48 4.36 97 1.108
2007 35 NYM NL 3 1 5 5 0 0 0 0 28.0 33 11 8 0 7 32 2 1 128 1 0 2.57 4.26 166 1.429
2008 36 NYM NL 5 6 20 20 0 0 0 0 109.0 127 70 68 19 44 87 6 2 493 3 1 5.61 4.21 75 1.569

AWESOME rIGHT LOL?

[RedsoxRockies]

2006 34 NYM NL 9 8 23 23 0 0 0 0 132.7 108 72 66 19 39 137 10 2 550 2 1 4.48 4.36 97 1.108
2007 35 NYM NL 3 1 5 5 0 0 0 0 28.0 33 11 8 0 7 32 2 1 128 1 0 2.57 4.26 166 1.429
2008 36 NYM NL 5 6 20 20 0 0 0 0 109.0 127 70 68 19 44 87 6 2 493 3 1 5.61 4.21 75 1.569

AWESOME rIGHT LOL?

Why do you leave out the details.. Look at his stats in Montreal and Boston. He was for about 10 years the best pitcher in baseball.

[Pavelb1]

2006 34 NYM NL 9 8 23 23 0 0 0 0 132.7 108 72 66 19 39 137 10 2 550 2 1 4.48 4.36 97 1.108
2007 35 NYM NL 3 1 5 5 0 0 0 0 28.0 33 11 8 0 7 32 2 1 128 1 0 2.57 4.26 166 1.429
2008 36 NYM NL 5 6 20 20 0 0 0 0 109.0 127 70 68 19 44 87 6 2 493 3 1 5.61 4.21 75 1.569

AWESOME rIGHT LOL?

1. You left out his first year with the Mets.

2. It's not his fault he got hurt...but those injury cut-off numbers in 2007 are pretty good.

[metsguy234]

Why do you leave out the details.. Look at his stats in Montreal and Boston. He was for about 10 years the best pitcher in baseball.

For about 10 years... and then he went to the Mets and sucked ass

[RedsoxRockies]

For about 10 years... and then he went to the Mets and sucked ass

No, he was above average when he played there. And you can NOT rank a career based on a few seasons alone. LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING!

[FRENCHREDSOX]

Sutter? He should not be any where near Mariano, why is Seaver so low, and why is Maddux not Numerò Uno?

First off did YOU ever see Seaver or Sutter pitch ? Sutter basically was down right nasty & dominant as they come - ERA of 2.83,ERA+ 141,300 SVs in 661 games,5 SV leader etc etc



Second Pedro was the most dominant pitcher DURING the "steroids era" & has a career ERA of 154+ thus why I ranked him at #1.Maddux I ranked compared to the others & what I saw as being the P who I would (if as a GM/Manager) call on to pitch .........

"subjective" ranking. Basically, he ranked his favorite players.

Yes it is a SUBJECTIVE ranking & no it is NOT based on my favourite players otherwise I would not have ranked Clemens nor Mo' (Yankees bias)

[Pavelb1]

For about 10 years... and then he went to the Mets and sucked ass

How long was Koufax great? How long was Bob Gibson great?

'Sucked ass'? I'll bet his cumulative Mets numbers are over 110+ ERA.

[HoustonGM]

Because Clemens wouldn't be half as good without the steroids

By all current evidence, the EARLIEST "starting point" of steroid use by Clemens was the mid/late-1990's. He was already an all-time great pitcher without steroids. Having used steroids doesn't then make him a terrible player. In terms of on-field performance, he's one of the top 5 pitchers of all-time, let alone the last half-century. The ONLY way to deny that is to incorporate a huge amount of personal bias into your evaluation, which you're no stranger of.

Also, please provide evidence that steroids double a player's effectiveness. Thanks.

But all the 90s/2000s people are right at the top... pathetic

Clemens and Maddux are two of the top 5 pitchers of all time. Randy Johnson's up there too. Pedro has a Koufax-level peak. It's not my bias that made it so 4 of the best pitchers ever happened to pitch in the 1990's/2000's.

My list was the most accurate so far

How's that for arrogance?

My Pedro bias?

The dude was awful with the Mets... I have my reasons to hate him

Being awful with the Mets doesn't discount what he did in his career for other teams.

Sutter basically was down right nasty & dominant as they come - ERA of 2.83,ERA+ 141,300 SVs in 661 games,5 SV leader etc etc

And Rivera was still better.

His ERA+ was actually 136. He had an extremely short career, but apparently, you're an extreme peak evaluator.


Any way, I'm about to delve into a more in depth ranking of these players.

[TheNamelessPoet]

Modern Bian on Maddux!!! he pithed at least 1/2 his career in 5 man rotations that the guys in the 40's NEVER would have heard of. if anything to me that means he shoud have MORE wins and MORE k's and a BETTER lifetime ERA

[TheNamelessPoet]

And walks...and wild pitchs....

and even as bad as he was with that he still was a DOMINANT pitcher

[metsguy234]

Being awful with the Mets doesn't discount what he did in his career for other teams.

Pedro proved he can't pitch when alot is on the line, like when his team is good