Gwynn vs Suzuki

[HoustonGM]

so you'd take 9 barry bonds types over a mixed line up, wouldn't a traditional mixed line up be more excitin to watch though? just for the sake of discussion

I have no idea if it'd be more "interesting to watch." That's entirely up to personal preference. I'm 100% certain that it'd be the better lineup that produces more runs and thus more wins, though.

[ohms_law]

I don't know, I'd think that 9 Henderson's would be more productive then 9 Barry Bond's... that would at least be worth simulating out to see.
humm...

[HoustonGM]

I don't know, I'd think that 9 Henderson's would be more productive then 9 Barry Bond's... that would at least be worth simulating out to see.
humm...

Well I was talking 9 Bonds vs. a "traditional lineup", but, even so, I don't see how 9 Hendersons would be better than 9 Bonds. The Bonds lineup would use less outs, AND would have a ridiculous power advantage. The Henderson lineup would just have an advantage in number of stolen bases, but that's moot due to the huge advantage in power that the Bonds lineup would have.

[dickay]

I don't know, I'd think that 9 Henderson's would be more productive then 9 Barry Bond's... that would at least be worth simulating out to see.
humm...

I'd take 9 bonds any day of the week personally. I love Rickey Henderson, one of my alltime favorite players. But imagine what Bonds would have put up for numbers if he wasn't walked a gazillion times because he had Bonds, and Bonds, and Bonds hitting behind him.

[Wassit3]

I'd take 9 bonds any day of the week personally. I love Rickey Henderson, one of my alltime favorite players. But imagine what Bonds would have put up for numbers if he wasn't walked a gazillion times because he had Bonds, and Bonds, and Bonds hitting behind him.

lol

[dickay]

lol

Thanks.....I have to say I sat back and admired it after it was posted because it's IMO a discussion ender if there ever was one. 73HR's??? Heck, 100 would be the over/under line in his career year with a lineup full of Bondsies.

[Arctic Blast]

so you'd take 9 barry bonds types over a mixed line up, wouldn't a traditional mixed line up be more excitin to watch though? just for the sake of discussion

Well you could construct your lineup of the various versions of Barry. A few fast, sleek Pirates Barry's at the top, some slugger Barry's in the middle, and sort of a mix down the back of the lineup.

[JeepGuy63]

Well you could construct your lineup of the various versions of Barry. A few fast, sleek Pirates Barry's at the top, some slugger Barry's in the middle, and sort of a mix down the back of the lineup.

We are Family changes to We are Barry!

[RedsoxRockies]

We are Family changes to We are Barry!

We are Barry! All my selves, selves and me!

[Spitball]

One thing to look at with Ichiro stats, all great players are great no matter where they play. Some good players will have different stats.

If you put Babe Ruth into todays World, he would still be great. If you put Ichiro in the MLB at age 22 he would still be great. Gwynn is also great.

I also voted for Ichiro because given a full career, I think Ichiro would be better.

[HoustonGM]

One thing to look at with Ichiro stats, all great players are great no matter where they play.

This isn't necessarily true. Tuffy Rhodes is a great player...in Japan...but terrible in the MLB.

[JeepGuy63]

This isn't necessarily true. Tuffy Rhodes is a great player...in Japan...but terrible in the MLB.

Yeah, but does Bonds or Gwynn have their own cheering songs like Rhodes? Here

[dickay]

One thing to look at with Ichiro stats, all great players are great no matter where they play. Some good players will have different stats.

If you put Babe Ruth into todays World, he would still be great. If you put Ichiro in the MLB at age 22 he would still be great. Gwynn is also great.

I also voted for Ichiro because given a full career, I think Ichiro would be better.

I think Babe Ruth wouldn't be an effective minor league player in todays game, but thats opinion. Todays athletes are far superior, have far greater work ethic as this is a business for them. Anyhow, enough of that.

[HoustonGM]

I think Babe Ruth wouldn't be an effective minor league player in todays game, but thats opinion. Todays athletes are far superior, have far greater work ethic as this is a business for them. Anyhow, enough of that.

Yep. This same discussion is going on over in the Williams vs. Bonds thread.

[TheNamelessPoet]

I think he would because if you gave him the talant he has and channel that into all the thinkgs he would have nowadays he might hit 100 HR. he was just such a monster and above everyone else I think he would be