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Its OK...as someone who followed football moreso as a young kid through the late 80's to the mid-90s, there will only be one LT to me just as there can only be one MJ. I've gotten used to it, but part of me still cringes when I hear Tomlinson called LT.Originally Posted by ohms_law
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As mentioned earlier, I meant Ladanian. But while on the topic of OLT (Original LT), correct me if I'm wrong here, but I don't believe coke to be a performance enhancer. So if we're talking about holding players accountable for off the field, recreational drug use, the NFL is head & shoulders above other sports in the US. See: Ricky Williams being suspended for an entire year for simply smoking pot.
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There's nothing hypocritical about the situation, people aren't outraged that people like Bonds/clemens/mcgwire did the steriods It the blantant denials that people hate.hypocrite
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There's no double standard, they want these players to be Honest and contrite, or at the very least like Giamabi and Petite ..
If, during the congressional hearings, Mark McGwire said :
"You know what, I did take steriods, it was considered normal for the players so i didn't really think about it a whole lot in the moment. Looking back, I think what I did was Short sighted and careless, and in many ways I wish I had Chosen a different path. Everyone needs to know that I do regret what I did and I think that we need to band together to stop the culture that leads to players feeling like this is needed, Thank You"
Everyone would have loved him, the fans would have called him a hero, and only a few old curmudgeons would have held it against him.
I'm not really sure if your advocating pillorying all players that have tested positve or giving Bonds a big "we know you did it but we love you anyways" hug.
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This is why NFL's drug policy is pathetic. It's all about turning the blind eye to every case that pops out. 4-game ban? That's nothing! Funny thing is, these are the same guys that talk smack when the Tour de France is delivering "yet another doping scandal". Give them two-year bans. Same goes for baseball players.
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A four game ban in football is the equivalent of a 40 game ban in baseball. Unless the testing is far more accurate then I think it is, the current rules in baseball and football are fair. The key to reducing steroid use is not the penalty for a first-time offender. The key is having a testing program that makes players think they will get caught quickly - and therefore not gain much benefit from the drugs.
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I haven't used cocaine so I can't speak of personal experiences, but I do believe 'OLT' has even stated in his book something to the effect that he used to get high on coke before a game because it put him on an aggressive high and masked pain.
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I, too, haven't used cocaine, but, from knowing people that have, that sounds about right.
Drugs affect performance, whether they enhance it or not, and some drugs, like cocaine, could enhance it in some ways (lessening pain, psychological effects, etc.) and harm it in some ways.
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Cocaine is a (powerful) amphetamine...
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Well, can't say I've heard cocaine classified as an amphetamine before, but if so, that would make caffeine one as well. Either way, all are classified as stimulant drugs.
Funny how millions of folks consume one of those every day while simultaneously being horrified at the use of the others. Let's see, what would be the word I'm looking for here???? Begins with an H.....
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Some definitions:
Amphetamine, and related drugs such as methamphetamine are a group of drugs that act by increasing levels of norepinephrine, serotonin, and dopamine in the brain.Cocaine (benzoylmethyl ecgonine) is a crystalline tropane alkaloid that is obtained from the leaves of the coca plant.[5] The name comes from "coca" in addition to the alkaloid suffix -ine, forming cocaine. It is both a stimulant of the central nervous system and an appetite suppressant. Specifically, it is a dopamine reuptake inhibitor, a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor and a serotonin reuptake inhibitor.
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really? You don't see ANY difference between cocaine and caffeine ?
I don't see anything wrong with people having an issue with people who think takng an illeagal mind altering and highly addictive drug while they themselves take a mild stimulant that when taken in large amount can cause some mild side affects for a short period of time due to the body "de-toleranceing itself
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Caffeine in high quantities is a banned substance at events like the Olympics. Somewhere around 5-6 cups of coffee will put someone over the limit. But more importantly, caffeine has never been proven to be harmful in quantities that anyone consumes by drinking coffee or Red Bull.
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Okay already, I certainly didn't mean for this thread to turn into another on that old topic. You don't see the obvious hypocrisy of a person using one drug while simultaneously criticizing someone else for using another, fine. I do, and many others do as well. I've sat in bars while shiit-faced drunks went on adnauseam about some other "druggie" caught with a little weed. That's hypocrisy, plain and simple. You can justify it by saying they're different drugs, one is legal and one isn't, but then you're simply justifying the hypocrisy.
I also get that no one is ever going to admit it, or change thier intolerable minds on the subject, so I'll make everyone here a deal. Let this be the last post in this thread, and it will be my last post in this thread, and together we'll all let it die a natural death.
I apologize for getting the SOS started again.
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