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    Liberty

    http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/liberty/

    Great article on the role of the MLBPA in free agency, and how it's changed from it's original goal.

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    Re: Liberty

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    Re: Liberty

    Get the book: A Well Paid Slave.
    Really eye opening, and it covers this exact same subject in real depth.

    The ultimate solution in my view is that groups of player ought to band together and take ownership stakes. That would go a long ways towards ending this silliness once and for all.
    That and getting Congress to get off their ass and actually revoke baseball's stupid antitrust exemtion by officially making Federal Baseball and Toolson the ancient history that it is.
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    Re: Liberty

    Quote Originally Posted by ohms_law View Post
    Get the book: A Well Paid Slave.
    Really eye opening, and it covers this exact same subject in real depth.

    The ultimate solution in my view is that groups of player ought to band together and take ownership stakes. That would go a long ways towards ending this silliness once and for all.
    That and getting Congress to get off their ass and actually revoke baseball's stupid antitrust exemtion by officially making Federal Baseball and Toolson the ancient history that it is.
    maybe that would help, but it seems the real problem is that Union has lost sight of it objective of allowing player to have a choice, they've been blinded by dollar signs.

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    True, and I don't dispute that in the least. What I'm advocating is actually a partial de-unionization though. You can't be an owner and a member of the union, after all.

    Regardless, the most important thing would be overturning Federal Baseball. That's step one of any real change. As long as Federal Baseball remains precedent nothing will change because the owners have no incentive to change anything. Even if a group of players became minority owners in a few teams, as long as Federal Baseball is there they probably wouldn't really change anything either.
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    Re: Liberty

    Can you explain what you mean with Federal Baseball?

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    Federal Baseball Club v. National League, 259 U.S. 200 (1922)
    That's the case that gives MLB a legal monopoly.
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    Re: Liberty

    Quote Originally Posted by ohms_law View Post
    That and getting Congress to get off their ass and actually revoke baseball's stupid antitrust exemtion by officially making Federal Baseball and Toolson the ancient history that it is.
    What impact would that have, really? As best as I can tell, the biggest effect the anti-trust exemption has nowdays in practice is that MLB can keep teams from moving from one city to another without league approval, whereas other pro sports leagues can't.

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    Re: Liberty

    That and it opens the door to players being able to litigate salary disputes. Ultimately, it'd simply give more power to the Union... really, a more "normal" (for the US) amount of power. Basically, it'd make baseball subject to all of the rules that any other busniess here is subject to.

    At this point I honestly doubt that the Union would really change much of anything. There would probably be quite a bit of pressure to make free agency available earlier.
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