Manny's first offer is...

[bigpapi]

Jeffy, have you EVER been to Fenway Park? How many Red Sox or Yankee fans do you know personally? I would guess not many, because if you did, you would realize that while there are a number of "pink hat" fans, (such as my wife for example), 90% of them are amongst the smartest fans in the country. If either team was in last place as you put it, you're damn right the fans would be booing, because teams that have seen the success that the Yankees and Sox have seen SHOULDN'T BE IN LAST PLACE. Personally, I think you are an idiot. That's my gross generalization without knowing you at all.....kinda similar to what you are doing.

[koolzach1]

Ya freaking right, either way...dunno if this is true...but I heard something that said Angels fans are the most bandwagon attendance wise...no one shows when they don't play well, and everyone shows when they win...at least in Boston and New York they still sell out....but that's because there are that many more bandwagon fans out there. If they Yankees or Red Sox were a last place team one year, no one would show that year, and if they did....they would only boo. Terrible fans

Oh, I know that the Yankees and Red Sox have a ton of bandwagon fans... I mean, I have met people that are "big Red Sox fans", but can only name a few players on the team... same can be said about some Yankees fans. The thing is, I have seen so many people where I live with Tampa Rays apparel on who used to be a Braves fan. I have also seen many people that I didn't know even liked baseball wearing Tampa Rays apparel.

[dickay]

when are you guys going to understand, baseball is a business first game second. The Dodgers haven't seen ticket sales and marketing revenue EVER like they have since Manny took his act to LA. 30 mil per on a short term deal is a steal for them right now. Not to mention the production he brought to the team.

Everyone in Boston can say what they want about him not playing....truth is for many years he put the numbers up in Boston playing 150+ per year. There is no reason to think he won't do the same in LA on a two year deal.

Now for Manny....2 years at 60 million may be dumb when he could probably find 4 years at 100 mil from someone out there. Thats a longshot though but not impossible to get close to it.

[Pavelb1]

Ya freaking right, either way...dunno if this is true...but I heard something that said Angels fans are the most bandwagon attendance wise...no one shows when they don't play well, and everyone shows when they win...at least in Boston and New York they still sell out....but that's because there are that many more bandwagon fans out there. If they Yankees or Red Sox were a last place team one year, no one would show that year, and if they did....they would only boo. Terrible fans

Ya. That makes sense seeing how the sell-out streak started FOUR years after having not even made the playoffs and continued even though they failed to make the playoffs in 2006, and barring the team being sold and a new stadium being built....the streak will continue at least another 10 years.

AND they've been the second or highest drawing AL visiting team since 2000...2000, that's four years before they won the World Series. So let's can all the BS 'since they won the World Series blah blah blah' talk.

[Swampdog]

Yeah, what Pavelb1 said.

[koolzach1]

Yeah, imma have to agree with these Sawx fans (for once).

[TheNamelessPoet]

agreed.. they have not had under 2,000,000 since i believe it was 1986

[Arctic Blast]

I have to say that, while nobody likes the obnoxious 'hangers on' type of sports fan who pop up when a team has a run of success, the antagonistic 'anti fan' who comes out of the woodwork to chop that team down is, frankly, just as obnoxious.

[TheNamelessPoet]

I have to say that, while nobody likes the obnoxious 'hangers on' type of sports fan who pop up when a team has a run of success, the antagonistic 'anti fan' who comes out of the woodwork to chop that team down is, frankly, just as obnoxious.

valid point

[dps]

Well, once you get out of a team's home market area, probably 75-90% of its fans are bandwagon fans. For example, I grew up in southern West Virginia. Obviously, we didn't have a hometown MLB team to root for. In the early 70's a lot of people in that area were Cincinnati Reds fans. Cincy was one of the more accessible MLB cities to get to from our area, and the Big Red Machine was a good team. By the late 70's, a lot of those Reds fans were Pirates fans--Pittsburg was about the same distance away as Cincinnati, and while they weren't as good as the Reds had been a few years earlier, they had a decent run for a few years. Then, in the early-to-mid 80's a lot of people became Braves fans--Atlanta was further away than Cincy or Pitt, but you could watch all the games on TBS.

Of course, that's a bit different than living in, say, Cleveland but only supporting the Indians when they're good.

[beerchaser]

Well, once you get out of a team's home market area, probably 75-90% of its fans are bandwagon fans. For example, I grew up in southern West Virginia. Obviously, we didn't have a hometown MLB team to root for. In the early 70's a lot of people in that area were Cincinnati Reds fans. Cincy was one of the more accessible MLB cities to get to from our area, and the Big Red Machine was a good team. By the late 70's, a lot of those Reds fans were Pirates fans--Pittsburg was about the same distance away as Cincinnati, and while they weren't as good as the Reds had been a few years earlier, they had a decent run for a few years. Then, in the early-to-mid 80's a lot of people became Braves fans--Atlanta was further away than Cincy or Pitt, but you could watch all the games on TBS.

Of course, that's a bit different than living in, say, Cleveland but only supporting the Indians when they're good.

Precisely, and that was my point. Living here in North Carolina, there are a number of people who used to call themselves Braves fans who now say they are Red Sox fans. Gee, I wonder why. Could it have anything to do with the Braves going downhill while Boston has been on an upswing? Ya think? Much like the people who move here from up North and then immediately start saying "we" or "us" when talking about UNC or Duke basketball, when in fact the only connection they have to either school is the aforementioned Tshirt they bought at Walmart. On sale for half price, probably. These are the idiots that really piss me off.

I don't for one minute dispute the allegiance of the people who fill Fenway or Yankee Stadium every night; I know those people are for real.

[dickay]

Precisely, and that was my point. Living here in North Carolina, there are a number of people who used to call themselves Braves fans who now say they are Red Sox fans. Gee, I wonder why. Could it have anything to do with the Braves going downhill while Boston has been on an upswing? Ya think? Much like the people who move here from up North and then immediately start saying "we" or "us" when talking about UNC or Duke basketball, when in fact the only connection they have to either school is the aforementioned Tshirt they bought at Walmart. On sale for half price, probably. These are the idiots that really piss me off.

I don't for one minute dispute the allegiance of the people who fill Fenway or Yankee Stadium every night; I know those people are for real.

sorry...i read about half of something like this and think....who the fock cares???

[rogue9]

Well, what I am saying is that this was supposed to just be about Manny's so called offer; and there are way more bangwagon Tampa fans than Red Sox/Yankees fans.

I am a Giants fan first but I like the way the Rays have built their team. I think they are doing things right atm and for the last couple years. I'm not on the bandwagon, I simply admire what they have done and how they have done it.

Most fans are not going to be too vocal when a team is mediocre or losing. So I don't think there are more bandwagon Rays fans than Boston or NY. I live in CA and see many, many out here wearing NY or BOS hats simply because its stylish.

I don't see ANY Rays hats out here.

I think the Rays fans you may be calling bandwagon fans are more likely Yankee/Boston haters.

I don't think its as simple as a bunch of bandwagon fans in the Rays case. And I don't think anyone who is a fan of the Yankees or Sox, whether true or bandwagon has any room to criticize bandwagon fans as those two teams attract more bandwagon fans than any other teams I can think of in any sport.

[beerchaser]

sorry...i read about half of something like this and think....who the fock cares???

Right back at ya buddy... I don't give a "fock" what you think either.

[HoustonGM]

I hate these types of discussions.