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I just think that's a little much... Manny is very good, but he's not quite as good as he was at his peak... and he's getting into the time in his career where injuries are much more likely... and a torn rotator cuff, broken shoulder ligament, broken knee, whatever, could easily end his career....Originally Posted by HoustonGM
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To play where?
1B - Youk
DH - Big Papi
3B - Lowell
So...?
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There aren't many teams in need of a 1B that can afford it. It really narrows the teams down. Though I'm sure plenty of teams have a 1B that could be moved to DH, I don't see it expanding Teixeira's suitors.
God... watch the Mariners sign Teixeira. Now that I think about it, I wouldn't be THAT surprised.
Anyway...
I just think the Manny and Teixiera markets barely overlap. I can't think of any teams that can make room for either an OF *or* a 1B, save the Yankees and Mets.
I don't recall exactly the numbers I've been reading for Manny, but from what I remember (drunkenly), they want something around 4 years/$80M-$90M, AT LEAST.
This is very interesting, thanks. It differs from what I've read on and through mlbtraderumors.com and in the Daily News and the Times.
I'm a little sketchy about "people familiar with the club's thinking" though, as I could realistically qualify as a source with that description, simply having been a disgruntled fan since I was old enough to read a baseball card.
Of course, SI wouldn't quote me, but that's even further removed than "a source close to..."
However, I have thought the ONLY way they'd retain Manny is by offering him a HUGE yearly salary for 2 or 3 years. I was thinking possibly 2 years/$55M to $60M. As a fan, I would not be opposed AT ALL to $27.5M per for 2 years.
It makes a great deal of sense for them if they could do this, but I'm still feeling like Boras will end up pushing Ramirez to the Yankees for a larger contract with longer years.
Either way, Manny is the most interesting free agent to watch this offseason, even though his value is not at the level of Teixeira.
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While I agree and would never go that long with him, it's not really "crazy".
I'd also say that Manny is still as good, offensively, as he was at his peak. While he's not as good as his best seasons were, he's always been a roughly 150 OPS+ hitter, except for a one-year drop in 2007.
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Best seasons= Peak
Am I missing something here? The time when you are having your best seasons is the peak of your career.
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His best individual seasons were 2000 and 2002. I don't see him putting up such seasons ever again (.350/.450/.675, on average). However, besides those two seasons and 2007, he's been consistently a roughly .300/.400/.600 hitter.
Some players have a very "extended" peak. Greg Maddux's "peak" was from 1992-2002. His best individual seasons were 1994 and 1995, but in terms of a player's career, "peak" isn't just his one best season. It's a more general term.
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I can't speak for the person you're speaking to, but that's an interesting point.
I'm thinking by "peak," it's about consistency, expected performance based on age, and a time frame surrounding ABSOLUTE PEAK seasons.
I don't think his consistency is what it was 4+ years ago, but he's still obviously capable of putting up the same numbers.
Manny is a statistical anomaly, in that I firmly believe he DOES perform far better based on intangibles like "mental state" and "happiness" and such. Manny is one of few players, ever, where you could possibly start talking about things like "clutch" and have a decent argument.
A truly unique baseball player.
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I only see these below teams are the only serious contenders for Tex:
NYY
BAL
LAA
I guess Boston could make a play, but I don't see how they would have room for him.
Tex has stated that his family wants him to go to a team in the east coast, as that is where all his family lives, and he doesn't seem to want to go to a rebuilding project (seems like he wants to win NOW, hence - why he turned down that huge offer from Texas).
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Today, my best real life baseball discussion friend said he was certain Teixeira would go to the Orioles. And I was actually shocked, but he explained it to me and it makes a lot of sense. He brought up the East Coast thing, and I realized the Orioles would be better off to actually make a run at the division, or at least a wild card, than to sit idly.
Though I have no faith in the Orioles doing ANYTHING to win.
Concerning the Yankees, I can see WHY they'd want to get him, but I can't imagine him being a Yankee in a million years. I see the Mets as a MUCH larger player in that one, assuming they decline Delgado's option.
I'd decline it and pick up Tex in a heartbeat.
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I can definitely see him being a Yankee... I mean, the Yankees will hand him a blank checkbook and have already named him a priority. Plus, the Yankees are on the east coast... plus, the Yankees can win NOW, something that Tex wants in a team.
Tex just seems like the Yankees kinda player. Clean cut, plays the game the right way, and very professional.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he became a Yankee, based on the reasons you name. But I just can't see him in that uniform, personally. He seems like a non-Yankee, for life, just personality-wise. So I seem him differently, I guess.
My best guess is Manny goes to the Yankees and Tex goes to the Mets, or Manny goes to the Mets and Tex stays with the Angels.
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I would take Manny if we cannot get Tex. Manny is a better hitter than Tex, IMO, but his defense is sub-par, and of course, his antics make you wonder sometimes. I also have a huge problem with giving Manny 4+ years. 3 years with a team option would seem logical for the Yankees standpoint, but I don't think that Manny would settle for less than 4 years. The Yankees are trying to get younger while still competing.
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If the Angels give up on Tex... who plays first?
Texiara ain't going nowhere.
The Orioles are certainly a possibility, but I just don't see Angelos outbidding the Angels. He wines just as much as Loria, if not more.
You insist that there is something a machine cannot do. If you will tell me precisely what it is that a machine cannot do, then I can always make a machine which will do just that! -J. von Neumann
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Well, I am sure that the Angels will try their best to hang onto Tex, but can they outbid the Yanks?
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CAN they? Probably.
WILL they? Maybe.
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