Gehrig vs Pujols

[TheNamelessPoet]

Pujols remonds me of Gehrig... put up GREAT #'s every year but just happened to be around "better" players. Bonds was around previously, and now Howard is always talked about because of his dominant HR's and RBI

Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG *OPS+  TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP 
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 1923 20 NYY AL  13   26    6   11   4  1   1    9   0  0   2   5  .423  .464  .769  218   20   1           0    
 1924 21 NYY AL  10   12    2    6   1  0   0    5   0  0   1   3  .500  .538  .583  189    7   0           0    
 1925 22 NYY AL 126  437   73  129  23 10  20   68   6  3  46  49  .295  .365  .531  127  232  12           2     MVP-24
 1926 23 NYY AL 155  572  135  179  47 20  16  112   6  5 105  73  .313  .420  .549  152  314  18           1     MVP-10
 1927 24 NYY AL 155  584  149  218  52 18  47  175  10  8 109  84  .373  .474  .765  221  447  21           3     MVP-1
 1928 25 NYY AL 154  562  139  210  47 13  27  142   4 11  95  69  .374  .467  .648  194  364  16           4    
 1929 26 NYY AL 154  553  127  166  32 10  35  126   4  4 122  68  .300  .431  .584  166  323  12           5    
 1930 27 NYY AL 154  581  143  220  42 17  41  174  12 14 101  63  .379  .473  .721  203  419  18           3    
 1931 28 NYY AL 155  619  163  211  31 15  46  184  17 12 117  56  .341  .446  .662  194  410   2           0     MVP-2
 1932 29 NYY AL 156  596  138  208  42  9  34  151   4 11 108  38  .349  .451  .621  181  370   1           3     MVP-2
 1933 30 NYY AL 152  593  138  198  41 12  32  139   9 13  92  42  .334  .424  .605  177  359   1           1     MVP-4,AS
 1934 31 NYY AL 154  579  128  210  40  6  49  165   9  5 109  31  .363  .465  .706  208  409   0           2     MVP-5,AS
 1935 32 NYY AL 149  535  125  176  26 10  30  119   8  7 132  38  .329  .466  .583  176  312   0           5     MVP-5,AS
 1936 33 NYY AL 155  579  167  205  37  7  49  152   3  4 130  46  .354  .478  .696  190  403   3           7     MVP-1,AS
 1937 34 NYY AL 157  569  138  200  37  9  37  159   4  3 127  49  .351  .473  .643  177  366   0           4     MVP-4,AS
 1938 35 NYY AL 157  576  115  170  32  6  29  114   6  1 107  75  .295  .410  .523  132  301   1           5     MVP-19,AS
 1939 36 NYY AL   8   28    2    4   0  0   0    1   0  0   5   1  .143  .273  .143   10    4   0           0   2 AS
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 17 Seasons         8001      2721    163     1995    101     790  .340  .447  .632  179      106   0   0  45   2
               2164      1888      534    493      102   1508                            5060
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 162 Game Avg        599  141  204  40 12  37  149   8  8 113  59  .340  .447  .632  179  379   8   0   0   3   0
 Career High    157  619  167  220  52 20  49  184  17 14 132  84  .379  .478  .765  221  447  21   0   0   7   2
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG *OPS+  TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP

always top 10 BA
always top 5 pretty much in HR if not 2nd to Ruth

[phightinphils]

While very similar in stats and all, there is still one MAJOR difference between the two of them.

Gehrig has more World Series rings than Pujols does.

[kenny1234]

I understand the comment about Bonds but I don't think there are that many people outside of Philadelphia that think Howard is a better hitter than Pujols. Gehrig's career overlapped with Ruth (10 years) a bit more than Pujols did with Bonds (7 years) - but it is close.

That said, I think they are also similar in that both Gehrig and Pujols are very consistent. No huge numbers in any specific category - and therefore not likely to set a lot of single season records to attract the media.

[HoustonGM]

Pujols remonds me of Gehrig... put up GREAT #'s every year but just happened to be around "better" players. Bonds was around previously, and now Howard is always talked about because of his dominant HR's and RBI

I'm glad you put "better" in quotes, . Gehrig was always behind a better player in Ruth, and Pujols was when Bonds was around, but Ryan Howard isn't close to Albert Pujols, at all.

While very similar in stats and all, there is still one MAJOR difference between the two of them.

Gehrig has more World Series rings than Pujols does.

1) It was easier to win the World Series in Gehrig's time. There were less teams, and only one round in the playoffs.

2) It's not Pujols' fault that the Cardinals don't have Babe Ruth and an assortment of other Hall of Famers.

So, no, that's not a major difference between the two as players.

[RickD]

Gehrig was also under the radar media wise because of Ruth and later Dimaggio. Pujols doesn't have the issue with teammates but with other players in higher markets! If Pujols played in NY, LA or Boston he would get way more coverage than he does now.

[phightinphils]

2) It's not Pujols' fault that the Cardinals don't have Babe Ruth and an assortment of other Hall of Famers.

So, no, that's not a major difference between the two as players.

Well, there is still only one team that wins it all each year. So what is the problem?

Seems like some people just like to disagree with others.

[HoustonGM]

Well, there is still only one team that wins it all each year. So what is the problem?

It's easier to win it when there are less teams and less rounds in the playoffs?

Seems like some people just like to disagree with others.

If I disagree, yeah. The difference in World Series wins says absolutely nothing about the two players.

[phightinphils]

It's easier to win it when there are less teams and less rounds in the playoffs?


If I disagree, yeah. The difference in World Series wins says absolutely nothing about the two players.

Slaps head and just walks aways saying, " Some people are really stubborn".

[HoustonGM]

Slaps head and just walks aways saying, " Some people are really stubborn".

Tell me, how does the number of rings tell you anything about either individual player?

[gRYFYN1]

So, no, that's not a major difference between the two as players.

well it is a major difference, but it has no bearing on the skill level or talent of the player involved, similar to the fact that Pujols is Latino and Gehrig was Caucasian was a major difference.

[HoustonGM]

well it is a major difference, but it has no bearing on the skill level or talent of the player involved, similar to the fact that Pujols is Latino and Gehrig was Caucasian was a major difference.

Yeah, it makes no difference when it comes to evaluating the two players. It tells you nothing about them as players, other than that Lou Gehrig played on some historically great teams.

[kenny1234]

Yeah, it makes no difference when it comes to evaluating the two players. It tells you nothing about them as players, other than that Lou Gehrig played on some historically great teams.

Increasing the number of teams makes it harder to get a ring - increasing the number of rounds in the playoffs doesn't. Otherwise, I agree that it is of no more than marginal relevance.

[etothep]

Increasing the number of teams makes it harder to get a ring - increasing the number of rounds in the playoffs doesn't. Otherwise, I agree that it is of no more than marginal relevance.

I would think it's easier to win 2 rounds of playoff games than 3 rounds of playoff games.

Assuming each team has a 50% chance of winning their playoff round series, then each team has a 25% chance of winning the Series in a 2 round playoff (1/2 * 1/2). If there are 8 teams, and 3 rounds, then each team has a 1/2*1/2*1/2 chance of winning, which equals a 1/8 chance of winning, cutting their chances to win in half by doubling the ammount of teams.

[kenny1234]

I would think it's easier to win 2 rounds of playoff games than 3 rounds of playoff games.

Assuming each team has a 50% chance of winning their playoff round series, then each team has a 25% chance of winning the Series in a 2 round playoff (1/2 * 1/2). If there are 8 teams, and 3 rounds, then each team has a 1/2*1/2*1/2 chance of winning, which equals a 1/8 chance of winning, cutting their chances to win in half by doubling the ammount of teams.

All I meant was that the number of rounds doesn't affect the number of rings that are handed out. Increasing the number of teams that make the playoffs increases the odds that a weak team win - so more rounds spread the wins around among more teams thus increasing the odds that a player has 1 ring while decreasing the odds that he has 5.

[HoustonGM]

All I meant was that the number of rounds doesn't affect the number of rings that are handed out.

Nobody said that, and I don't think I implied that.

Increasing the number of teams that make the playoffs increases the odds that a weak team win

Exactly, and as such, it decreases the odds of each team winning the World Series. Thus, it's harder to win the World Series in a 3-round playoff than in a 1-round playoff.

The same number of World Series rings are given out now as in Gehrig's time, but more teams + more playoff teams = harder to win the World Series.