I want to see Tampa v Milwaukee just to see MLB's reaction.
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I want to see Tampa v Milwaukee just to see MLB's reaction.
Yes The Dodgers are so so weak ;-)Originally Posted by Swampdog
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The Dodgers are the weakest team in the playoffs, sorry. They won a very weak division, in the lesser of the two leagues, by a whopping 2 games, with a record of 84-78. If by some miracle, they win the WS, they would be among the 3 or 4 worst teams ever to win it, along with the 2006 Cardinals, and the 1987 Twins.
They did play slightly better since they traded for Ramirez. 30-24 to be exact. They have the worst run differential, +52 of all teams making the postseason, and lower than some that didnt.
Yes, if Boston makes the WS, the easiest opponent willl be LA. I'm sure Boston wont be that lucky though.
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Throw the 2000 Yankees into that group (2000 Mets did pretty poorly that year as well, and if they had won they'd belong in that group)
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Yeah, the 2000 Yankees are the other team I was looking for.
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They may have been bad before the trading deadline, but they are no longer the weakest team. They are a legitimate 90+ win capable team now.
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As a Red Sox fan, I'd like to see a Boston - LA World Series.
As a baseball fan, I'd like to see a Tampa - Cubs World Series.
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I want Boston-Brewers, but Milwaukee likely won't make it. Having Boston-Dodgers would be neat, as we would be facing Manny, Lowe, and Nomar
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At the outset, yes thats what i was thinking would occur.
cubs vs rays rays in 6.
somehow dodgers red sox also appeals to me.
especially if Manny hits a game winning HR at Fenway.
that would be some quality entertainment right there boy !
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The Dodgers are a much better team than their record or run differential would indicate. If you don't know that, then you don't really know baseball that well. That's not meant as an insult, it's just puzzling that someone could outright make a claim that they're the weakest team in the playoffs and quote a FULL season of numbers for them as "evidence." Especially when they are currently manhandling baseball's (arguably) best team.
A Dodger team with Blake, Manny and a healthy Furcal is NOT the same team that was floundering in second place in the NL West all season and struggled to win it.
Best 1-5 rotation in baseball, one of baseball's top 2 or 3 bullpens, and one of the most solid lineups from top to bottom. I'd put the Dodgers above the Phillies and Brewers in the NL in terms of ranking the teams in the playoffs. The Cubs should be better, but... well, they aren't looking like it.
I'm glad you think the Dodgers would make an "easy" WS opponent. I like watching them continually fly under the radar. The Cubs inability to play quality baseball is owning the story of the series so far... even though the Dodgers would have won the first game in spite of the walks, and the second game in spite of the errors.
And you don't think Manny is going to show up big if he gets to play Boston? Give me a break...
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I don't think that Swampdog is that off base. Heck, look above and I said basically the same thing as he did (actually, it was in a different thread, but I did basically say the same thing). You make a good point about it being a different team, and the reasons why (which both he and I acknowledged ourselves, as well), but you have to admit that the Dodgers current run is rather surprising considering the regular season.
They are in undoubtedly the weakest division in baseball this year, and they do have the worst run differential of all of the playoff teams...
The adage is that pitching wins championships, but that assumes that the team can score as well.
In the end, you have to admit that your a fan and that you've been following the Dodgers closely. Consider how it looks from an outside perspective though, and it shuld be fairly easy to see why there are people who are surprised.
I'm not completely convinced that the Cubs have been a worthy opponent for the Dodgers, either. They've been playing terrible baseball, and both Philly and the Brewers have been playing great. We'll just have to wait and see what will happen, I guess...
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Even I'm surprised at how they're doing right now. I was anticipating the Cubs being up 2-0 at this point... but only because the Cubs are a great team, and not because the Dodgers are weak or extremely outmatched.
But the run differential and record must be thrown out the window. Even the post-Manny record doesn't take into account Jeff Kent no longer starting at 2B (a *positive* thing), or Furcal coming back.
It just doesn't make sense though... "worst team?" Though that does bother me as a fan, it also bugs me because it's a false statement. This team is BUILT for the playoffs. The luxury of moving Greg Maddux and Clayton Kershaw to the bullpen... not to mention that the rest of the bullpen is easily one of the best in baseball... one huge, hot bat in the middle of a lineup full of solid, above-average hitters... and the best outfield of the 8 remaining teams... it all adds up to a very, very tough out in the playoffs. Anyone who can't see that is not paying attention to baseball.
It's easy to see if you consider that people are only looking at W-L records and run differentials. Plus, fans of teams like Boston aren't likely to go around giving credit to teams that they view as "inferior." A team batting Casey Blake 7th or 8th, sitting Nomar and Jeff Kent on their bench, and bringing Greg Maddux out of the bullpen is anything but weak.In the end, you have to admit that your a fan and that you've been following the Dodgers closely. Consider how it looks from an outside perspective though, and it shuld be fairly easy to see why there are people who are surprised.
I do have an advantage of understanding what the Dodgers are capable of, but it's not just because I'm a fan. I also know what the other 7 teams in the playoffs are capable of, and I wouldn't view any of them as a poor team. They're all in the playoffs for a reason. But the Dodgers are better than an 84-win team.
Not to mention saying they're the worst team in the playoffs after they've already gone up 2-0 against baseball's best team... it's funny timing.
Agreed.I'm not completely convinced that the Cubs have been a worthy opponent for the Dodgers, either. They've been playing terrible baseball, and both Philly and the Brewers have been playing great. We'll just have to wait and see what will happen, I guess...
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Yeah, but we shouldn't let 2 games sway our evaluations of which teams are better.
The Rays, Angels, Red Sox, Cubs, and Phillies are all better teams than the Dodgers. The last 3 teams - White Sox, Brewers, and Dodgers - are all pretty close and, as far am I concerned, are all interchangeable between the 6-7-8 slots.
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Right. But so far, the Dodgers definitely do not look like the worst team in the playoffs. Also, I'm the last person who's going to get ahead of myself and think the Dodgers have ANYTHING wrapped up. I'm still waiting for them to give the series up somehow.
On paper, I'd agree somewhat with this, but I'd probably place the Dodgers higher. Probably fifth, above the Phillies. The Dodgers have better pitching and a better all around lineup than the Phillies. The Rays, Angels, Red Sox and Cubs are better teams, I'll admit to that.The Rays, Angels, Red Sox, Cubs, and Phillies are all better teams than the Dodgers. The last 3 teams - White Sox, Brewers, and Dodgers - are all pretty close and, as far am I concerned, are all interchangeable between the 6-7-8 slots.
But within a few weeks, we'll see who the "best team" is.
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