2008 Sports Mogul MLB Awards - Ballot Discussion

[metsguy234]

He was GOOOD, not GREAT. SAVES are NOT ALL

No, he had a very good to great season, saves or no saves. You are being ignorant if you deny that.

[HoustonGM]

His season was great, but overvalued because of his saves. In Expected Wins Above Replacement (WXRL), K-Rod was second in the AL to Mariano Rivera. That stat accounts for leverage of the situation. Brad Lidge was first in the majors.

[metsguy234]

His season was great, but overvalued because of his saves. In Expected Wins Above Replacement (WXRL), K-Rod was second in the AL to Mariano Rivera. That stat accounts for leverage of the situation. Brad Lidge was first in the majors.

But RSR is saying he's like 5th (or worse) in the AL... which is just, not true, by any standards.

[HoustonGM]

But RSR is saying he's like 5th (or worse) in the AL... which is just, not true, by any standards.

If you don't account for leverage, and look purely at performance stats like ERA/ERA+, K/9, BB/9, and WHIP, there were 4 or 5 better closers in the AL - Rivera, Nathan, Papelbon, Soria. Also guys like Brad Ziegler.

Here's the top 10 AL relievers by WXRL:

Mariano Rivera     6.251
Francisco Rodriguez 5.660
Joakim Soria        5.453
Joe Nathan          5.000
J.P. Howell          4.637
Brad Ziegler         4.478
Bobby Jenks         4.242
Scott Downs         3.797
Ron Mahay            3.604
Grant Balfour        3.423

[RedsoxRockies]

Told you so!

[HoustonGM]

Told you so!

If you account for leverage, he was second in the league to just Mariano Rivera.

[metsguy234]

Told you so!

Why is HGM like the emperor of stats? If he says it is so, then it is so? No...

Francisco Rodriguez had a legendary season this year and you are a fool to deny it...

[RedsoxRockies]

Why is HGM like the emperor of stats? If he says it is so, then it is so? No...

Francisco Rodriguez had a legendary season this year and you are a fool to deny it...

People will say it is legendary, but he walked to many, his k/9 were down, he was more hittable, and was below his usual self.

[HoustonGM]

Why is HGM like the emperor of stats? If he says it is so, then it is so? No...

Note that I didn't say it was so. I said Francisco Rodriguez had a great season, because he did.

Francisco Rodriguez had a legendary season this year and you are a fool to deny it...

Now legendary might be a bit of an exaggeration.

[rockiesfan4ever]

HGM I have to send you my votes in 2 PMs because they it is too long.

Here are my votes:

AL MVP:
1). Joe Mauer
2). Alex Rodriguez
3). Carlos Quentin
4). Josh Hamilton
5). Milton Bradley
6). Kevin Youkilis
7). Justin Morneau
8). Carlos Peña
9). Dustin Pedroia
10). Nick Markakis

NL MVP:
1). Albert Pujols
2). Chipper Jones
3). Lance Berkman
4). Ryan Howard
5). Matt Holliday
6). Hanley Ramirez
7). David Wright
8). Chase Utley
9). C.C Sabathia
10). Adam Dunn

AL Cy Young:
1). Cliff Lee
2). Roy Halladay
3). Daisuke Matsuzaka

NL CY Young:
1). Tim Lincecum
2). Johan Santana
3). Ryan Dempster

AL Rookie Of The Year:
1). Evan Longoria
2). Jacoby Ellsbury
3). Alexi Ramirez

NL Rookie Of The Year:
1). Joey Votto
2). Geovany Soto
3). Armando Galarraga

AL Relief Pitcher Of The Year:
1). Francisco Rodriguez
2). Joakim Soria
3). Joe Nathan

NL Relief Pitcher Of The Year:
1). Brad Lidge
2). Brian Wilson
3). Brian Fuentes

AL Gold Gloves:

P:
1). Kenny Rogers
2). Roy Halladay
3). Mark Buehrle

C:
1). Kurt Suzuki
2). Joe Mauer
3). Dioner Navarro

1B:
1). Carlos Peña
2). Kevin Youkilis
3). Ryan Garko

2B:
1). Dustin Pedroia
2). Mark Ellis
3). Placido Polanco

3B:
1). Mike Lowell
2). Alex Rodriguez
3). Jack Hannahan

SS:
1). Michael Young
2). Derek Jeter
3). Jhonny Peralta

OF:
1). Torii Hunter
2). Jermaine Dye
3). Grady Sizemore
4). Bobby Abreu
5). Adam Jones
6). Coco Crisp
7). Nick Markakis
8). Curtis Granderson
9). Melky Cabrera

NL Gold Gloves:

P:
1). Brandon Webb
2). Aaron Cook
3). Greg Maddux

C:
1). Chris Snyder
2). Chris Iannetta
3). Bengie Molina

1B:
1). Lance Berkman
2). Albert Pujols
3). Adrian Gonzalez

2B:
1). Brandon Phillips
2). Freddy Sanchez
3). Jeff Kent

3B:
1). Troy Glaus
2). Kevin Kouzmanoff
3). Pedro Feliz

SS:
1). Jimmy Rollins
2). Miguel Tejada
3). Cesar Izturis

OF:
1). Andre Either
2). Ryan Braun
3). Carlos Lee
4). Nate McClouth
5). Mike Cameron
6). Hunter Pence
7). Pat Burrell
8). Shane Victorino
9). Ryan Ludwick

AL Silver Sluggers:

DH:
1). Milton Bradley
2). Aubrey Huff
3). Jim Thome

C:
1). Joe Mauer
2). Kurt Suzuki
3). A.J. Pierzynski

1B:
1). Kevin Youkilis
2). Carlos Peña
3). Justin Morneau

2B:
1). Dustin Pedroia
2). Brian Roberts
3). Ian Kinsler

3B:
1). Alex Rodriguez
2). Chone Figgins
3). Evan Longoria

SS:
1). Derek Jeter
2). Michael Young
3). Marco Scutaro

OF:
1). Nick Markakis
2). Carlos Quentin
3). Josh Hamilton
4). Vladimir Guerrero
5). Jermaine Dye
6). Grady Sizemore
7). Magglio Ordoñez
8). Curtis Granderson
9). Bobby Abreu

NL Silver Sluggers:

P:
1). Carlos Zambrano
2). C.C. Sabathia
3). Adam Wainwright

C:
1). Brian McCann
2). Geovany Soto
3). Russell Martin

1B:
1). Albert Pujols
2). Lance Berkman
3). Ryan Howard

2B:
1). Chase Utley
2). Mark DeRosa
3). Dan Uggla

3B:
1). Chipper Jones
2). David Wright
3). Aramis Ramirez

SS:
1). Hanley Ramirez
2). Stephen Drew
3). Jose Reyes

OF:
1). Ryan Ludwick
2). Matt Holliday
3). Ryan Braun
4). Adam Dunn
5). Andre Either
6). Brad Hawpe
7). Alfonso Soriano
8). Carlos Beltran
9). Pat Burrell

AL Comeback Player Of The Year:
1). Cliff Lee
2). Milton Bradley
3). Aubrey Huff

NL Comeback Player Of The Year:
1). Kerry Wood
2). Brad Lidge
3). Ryan Ludwick

AL Manager Of The Year:
1). Joe Madden
2). Ozzie Guillen
3). Ron Gardenhire

NL Manager Of The Year:
1). Ned Yost
2). Tony LaRussa
3). Cecil Cooper

No Votes for GM of the Year

**This took me over an hour to do LOL**

[RedsoxRockies]

Rockiesfan, what were Wood and Lidge coming back from? They were good last year. And Ludwick has nothing to come back from. And why A-Rod 2nd in MVP?

[HoustonGM]

Rockiesfan, what were Wood and Lidge coming back from?

Lidge, no idea, but he did win the real life Comeback Player of the Year award.

Wood played in 22 games last year. 2008 was his first full season since 2003.

[RedsoxRockies]

Lidge won the comeback this year?

[metsguy234]

Lidge won the comeback this year?

Yes

[HoustonGM]

They just announced it today. Cliff Lee and Brad Lidge. See this thread.