2008 Sports Mogul MLB Awards - Ballot Discussion

[TheNamelessPoet]

AL MVP:
1. Dustin Pedroia
2. Justin Morneau
3 Joe Mauer
4. Josh Hamilton
5. Kevin Youkilis
6. Joe Mauer
7. Carlos Quenin
8. Jermaine Dye
9. Grady Sizemore
10. Vladimir Guerrero


NL MVP:
1. ALbert Pujols
2. Ryan Howard
3. Chipper Jones
4. Lance Berkman
5. Matt Holliday
6. C.C Sabathia
7. Hanley Ramirez
8. Carlos Delgado
9. Chase Utley
10. Ryan Braun

AL Cy Young:
1. Cliff Lee
2. Roy Halliday
3. Dice-k (as much as I HATE the walks)

NL Cy Young:
1. C.C Sabahia
2. Tim Lincecum
3. Brandon Webb


AL Rookie of the Year:
1. Evan Longoria
2. Alexei Ramirez
3. Jacoby Ellsbury

NL Rookie of the Year:
1. Geovany Soto
2. Joey Votto
3. Hiroki Kuroda

AL Relief Pitcher of the Year:
1. Joe Nathan
2. JOakim Soria
3 J. Papelbon

NL Relief Pitcher of the Year:
1. Brad Lidge
2. Kerry Wood
3. Brian Wilson


AL Manager of the Year:
1. Joe Maddon
2. Ron Gardenhire
3. Ozzie Gillen

NL Manager of the Year:
1. Ned Yost (thats right I went there)
2. Jerry Manual
3. Lou Pinella


AL GM of the Year:
1. Tampa Bay
2. Angels
3. Boston

NL GM of the Year:
1. Brewers
2. Cubs
3. Dodgers

[HoustonGM]

Just remember to submit via PM/email to finalize.

[TheNamelessPoet]

Just remember to submit via PM/email to finalize.

this is my rough draft but thank you for the reminder.

[justanewguy]

A whole lot of support for Pedroia so far.

[TheNamelessPoet]

A whole lot of support for Pedroia so far.

the major part of the award to me is MOST VALUABLE meaning a player that the team could not do without... without Pedria the Sox would hae been nowhere

[HoustonGM]

the major part of the award to me is MOST VALUABLE meaning a player that the team could not do without... without Pedria the Sox would hae been nowhere

The problem with that definition is that A LOT of players fit that description.

Without Youkilis, the Red Sox would've been a lot worse. Without Daisuke or Jon Lester or Jon Papelbon, etc. etc. etc.

[justanewguy]

The problem with that definition is that A LOT of players fit that description.

Without Youkilis, the Red Sox would've been a lot worse. Without Daisuke or Jon Lester or Jon Papelbon, etc. etc. etc.

A load of non-Red Sox players fit this same description in the AL too. Lee, Sizemore, ARod, Quentin, Dye, Mauer... it's a really confusing race. I thought I had it nailed down but I've been rethinking it today.

[phightinphils]

Ok, sorry, here are my new ones, I will delete the old post: Ok, here they are:



NL MVP

1-Pujols
2-Holliday
3-Chipper Jones
4-Lance Berkman
5-Utley
6-Ryan Braun
7-Adam Dunn
8-Brad Hawpe
9-Carlos Lee
10-Hanley Ramirez




Relief Pitcher of the Year


NL

1-Brian Fuentes
2-Brad Lidge
3-Carlos Marmol
4-Takahishi Saito
5- Salmon Torres

Gee, you must be still shocked from the Brady injury. WHERE the FREAK is Ryan Howard on the NL MVP ballot. HE WILL win it. What did Pujols do for his team? NOTHING!

And I think you are little biased about Fuentes there buddy. Lidge was lights out for the Phillies this year. A perfect 41 of 41 in save opportunities and he is the number two? BUZZ! WRONG! TRY AGAIN!

I am so sick of the ANTI-Philadelphia thinking that goes on!

[HoustonGM]

Gee, you must be still shocked from the Brady injury. WHERE the FREAK is Ryan Howard on the NL MVP ballot. HE WILL win it. What did Pujols do for his team? NOTHING!

And I think you are little biased about Fuentes there buddy. Lidge was lights out for the Phillies this year. A perfect 41 of 41 in save opportunities and he is the number two? BUZZ! WRONG! TRY AGAIN!

I am so sick of the ANTI-Philadelphia thinking that goes on!

While you're correct about Brad Lidge being far and away the best reliever in the NL, you're letting your PRO-Philadelphia thinking completely blind yourself in the MVP race. Pujols did nothing for his team? You've got to be kidding me.

Albert's batting average was 106 points higher than Howard's. His batting average was higher than Howard's ON-BASE percentage. Yes, Albert Pujols got a hit at a higher rate than Ryan Howard got on base.

Albert's on-base percentage was 123 points higher than Howard's.

Albert's slugging percentage was 110 points higher than Howard's.

Albert Pujols plays the best defense of any first basemen in the league. Ryan Howard is poor defensively.

Albert Pujols had one month where his OPS was below 1.000, and that was July where his OPS was .978. Ryan Howard's July OPS was equivalent and his September OPS was 1.274, but other than that, he only had one other good month, where he OPS'd .934 in May. He was abysmal in April and June and not good in August. The MVP is a full season award. Albert Pujols played at an MVP level for the entire season from start to finish. Ryan Howard had one fantastic month, two good months, and three bad months, with two of those being downright atrocious.

Ryan Howard won't win the MVP in real life, because the voters, no matter their love affair with RBI, won't overlook his batting average. He also doesn't deserve to win it, as he's barely one of the top 5 first basemen in the league this year (Pujols, Berkman, Adrian Gonzalez, Carlos Delgado, and then maybe Howard).

[justanewguy]

Gee, you must be still shocked from the Brady injury. WHERE the FREAK is Ryan Howard on the NL MVP ballot. HE WILL win it. What did Pujols do for his team? NOTHING!

And I think you are little biased about Fuentes there buddy. Lidge was lights out for the Phillies this year. A perfect 41 of 41 in save opportunities and he is the number two? BUZZ! WRONG! TRY AGAIN!

I am so sick of the ANTI-Philadelphia thinking that goes on!

There's not really any "anti-Philadelphia" thinking... well, anywhere. Lidge shouldn't be overlooked (he's so clearly #1 it's not even funny), but choosing Brian Fuentes is more likely a case of homerism than being "anti-Philadelphia."

What did Pujols do for his team? He made them a winning team and one of the NL's best for most of the season, instead of a 5th or 6th place team.

He also put up numbers that are so much better than Howard's that it's laughable.

Besides, Utley is more valuable than Howard. Utley's right in the middle of my top 10 and Howard is nowhere near. 15th, maybe, if I were to go that far. That's probably even a stretch. Probably 20th-ish.

[phightinphils]

There's not really any "anti-Philadelphia" thinking... well, anywhere. Lidge shouldn't be overlooked (he's so clearly #1 it's not even funny), but choosing Brian Fuentes is more likely a case of homerism than being "anti-Philadelphia."

What did Pujols do for his team? He made them a winning team and one of the NL's best for most of the season, instead of a 5th or 6th place team.

He also put up numbers that are so much better than Howard's that it's laughable.

Besides, Utley is more valuable than Howard. Utley's right in the middle of my top 10 and Howard is nowhere near. 15th, maybe, if I were to go that far.

Obviously you do not watch every Phillies game. Howard pretty much carried this team offensively for the final two months of the season. It was entire team effort, but Howard's bat is number one.

Okay Pujols has a better average, but his team was awful. And he doesn't scare me at all. He is getting to his washed up point of his career anyway.

[justanewguy]

Obviously you do not watch every Phillies game. Howard pretty much carried this team offensively for the final two months of the seaon. It was entire team effort, but Howard's bat is number one.

I obviously didn't watch every Phillies game. Why the hell would I? Where would I even find the time to watch every game for a team I don't root for? And one that's outside of my market no less? So only people who watched every Philadelphia game have any clue who the MVP should be?

By your argument, Manny Ramirez is a better candidate than Howard... BY FAR. Obviously you didn't watch every Dodger game.

You're acting like your favorite team is the only team out there.

Okay Pujols has a better average, but his team was awful. And he doesn't scare me at all. He is getting to his washed up point of his career anyway.

[phightinphils]

By your argument, Manny Ramirez is a better candidate than Howard... BY FAR.

If Ramirez wins the MVP, then Abner Doubleday and all the passed away Hall of Famers will roll over in their graves. It would be a crime to give an MVP award to someone who QUIT on his previous team that season.

[justanewguy]

If Ramirez wins the MVP, then Abner Doubleday and all the passed away Hall of Famers will roll over in their graves. It would be a crime to give an MVP award to someone who QUIT on his previous team that season.

Yes, but he carried his team for 2 months and took them into the playoffs.

That's your criteria for MVP, right?

[HoustonGM]

Obviously you do not watch every Phillies game. Howard pretty much carried this team offensively for the final two months of the season. It was entire team effort, but Howard's bat is number one.

Two things:

1) The MVP award is for the whole 6 months, not just August and September.
2) Ryan Howard hit .213/.328/.463 with 7 HR and 19 RBI in August, which is pretty terrible for a first basemen....which means, he carried the team for one month, September, which is true, but, see #1.

Okay Pujols has a better average, but his team was awful.

Why should a player's team matter for an individual award?

And he doesn't scare me at all.

Irrelevant. NL managers as a whole are more scared of Albert Pujols than they are Ryan Howard, as evidenced by Pujols's 34 intentional walks compared to Howard's 17. Howard's intentional walks were cut in half from where he was the previous two seasons, indicating that pitchers have found holes in his huge swing and are no longer afraid to pitch to him, and his much decreased performance holds that to be true.

He is getting to his washed up point of his career anyway.

LOL. Yes, a guy at age 28, coming off what is arguably the best season of his career, is getting to his washed up point of his career.