2008 Sports Mogul MLB Awards - Ballot Discussion

[RedsoxRockies]

Idiotic sports writers

[HoustonGM]

Idiotic sports writers

It's not the writers:

A committee made up of representatives of MLB and the editorial staff of its official website, MLB.com, shortlists six players in each league. The winner in each league is selected from the shortlist by an online poll of fans through MLB.com.

[metsguy234]

There was an online poll?

[HoustonGM]

Actually, that's what Wikipedia says...

But I just checked the MLB.com article on it, and the voting total has A LOT more than 6 players in each league.


Ah. Yep. MLB.com beat reporters do the voting, 1 voter from each team. Let's move this discussion to the other thread, though.

[RedsoxRockies]

Ah. Yep. MLB.com beat reporters do the voting, 1 voter from each team. Let's move this discussion to the other thread, though.

I told you so! Reporters/writers, same difference. And either way, they are retarded when it comes to the sport they cover

[koolzach1]

They just announced it today. Cliff Lee and Brad Lidge. See this thread.

Yeah, and Lidge was a terrible selection, IMO. He was solid last year...

Nate McClouth, Ryan Ludwick, Carlos Delgado, Kerry Wood, etc... all woulda been better selections.

[RedsoxRockies]

Yeah, and Lidge was a terrible selection, IMO. He was solid last year...

Nate McClouth, Ryan Ludwick, Carlos Delgado, Kerry Wood, etc... all woulda been better selections.

What were McClouth and Ludwick coming back from exactly? Why does no one notice THAT THEY HAVE NEVER DONE WELL IN OR EVEN PLAYED A GOOD FULL SEASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HoustonGM]

Yeah, and Lidge was a terrible selection, IMO. He was solid last year...

Nate McClouth, Ryan Ludwick, Carlos Delgado, Kerry Wood, etc... all woulda been better selections.

McLouth and Ludwick "emerged", to me, not "came back." I think you have to have at least one prior full season, and then an off-season/injury-season, before being able to really be considered for the comeback award.

[koolzach1]

Iunno...

I look at it was them coming back from subpar seasons. What the F did Lidge come back from?

[RedsoxRockies]

McLouth and Ludwick "emerged", to me, not "came back." I think you have to have at least one prior full season, and then an off-season/injury-season, before being able to really be considered for the comeback award.

Lucwick got votes however, a lot. So obviously not

[HoustonGM]

Lucwick got votes however, a lot. So obviously not

Technically, any player is eligible for the award. I just wouldn't vote for those types of players.

[RedsoxRockies]

Technically, any player is eligible for the award. I just wouldn't vote for those types of players.

Same here. It is so amazing how uneducated the people are that make their living writing about baseball.....

[HoustonGM]

Iunno...

I look at it was them coming back from subpar seasons.

Well, "coming back" implies that they had a previous level that they're returning too. Ludwick and McLouth were minor leaguers/subpar major leaguers, and now broke out.

What the F did Lidge come back from?

Yeah, no idea with that one.

I'm guessing it has to do with the further "glorification" of the closer role. Brad Lidge lost his closer role last year, and then "came back to it" in a big way this year.

Ridiculous.

[justanewguy]

Now that the regular season is officially wrapped up:

AL MVP
1) Alex Rodriguez
2) Carlos Quentin
3) Cliff Lee
4) Josh Hamilton
5) Grady Sizemore
6) Joe Mauer
7) Justin Morneau
8) Dustin Pedroia
9) Kevin Youkilis
10) Roy Halladay

NL MVP
1) Albert Pujols
2) Lance Berkman
3) David Wright
4) Chipper Jones
5) Manny Ramirez
6) Chase Utley
7) Hanley Ramirez
8) Tim Lincecum
9) Johan Santana
10) Matt Holliday

AL Cy Young
1) Cliff Lee
2) Roy Halladay
3) Mariano Rivera

NL Cy Young
1) Tim Lincecum
2) Johan Santana
3) Derek Lowe

AL Rookie of the Year
1) Evan Longoria
2) Alexei Ramirez
3) Joba Chamberlain

NL Rookie of the Year
1) Geovany Soto
2) Joey Votto
3) Hiroki Kuroda

AL Relief Pitcher of the Year
1) Mariano Rivera
2) Francisco Rodriguez
3) Joe Nathan

NL Relief Pitcher of the Year
1) Brad Lidge
2) Hong-Chih Kuo
3) Carlos Marmol

AL Gold Glove
P) Kenny Rogers, Mark Buehrle, Jesse Litsch
C) Jose Molina, Joe Mauer, Dioner Navarro
1B) Lyle Overbay, Kevin Youkilis, Justin Morneau
2B) Placido Polanco, Akinori Iwamura, Dustin Pedroia
3B) Adrian Beltre, Mike Lowell, Jack Hannahan
SS) Orlando Cabrera, Michael Young, Jhonny Peralta
OF) Carlos Gomez, Adam Jones, Torii Hunter, Carl Crawford, BJ Upton, Ichiro Suzuki, Grady Sizemore, Nick Markakis, Curtis Granderson

NL Gold Glove
P) Greg Maddux, Roy Oswalt, Aaron Cook
C) Jason Kendall, Bengie Molina, Chris Snyder
1B) Albert Pujols, Lance Berkman, Adrian Gonzalez
2B) Freddy Sanchez, Orlando Hudson, Chase Utley
3B) Kevin Kouzmanoff, Pedro Feliz, Troy Glauss
SS) Jimmy Rollins, Jose Reyes, Cesar Izturis
OF) Aaron Rowand, Hunter Pence, Jim Edmonds, Mike Cameron, Kosuke Fukudome, Carlos Beltran, Matt Holliday, Matt Kemp, Jeff Francoeur

AL Silver Slugger
DH) Aubrey Huff, Milton Bradley, David Ortiz
C) Joe Mauer, AJ Pierzynski, Kelly Shoppach
1B) Justin Morneau, Kevin Youkilis, Miguel Cabrera
2B) Dustin Pedroia, Ian Kinsler, Brian Roberts
3B) Alex Rodriguez, Melvin Mora, Evan Longoria
SS) Jhonny Peralta, Michael Young, Derek Jeter
OF) Carlos Quentin, Josh Hamilton, Grady Sizemore, Nick Markakis, Jermaine Dye, Vladimir Guerrero, Raul Ibanez, Bobby Abreu, Magglio Ordonez, Ichiro Suzuki

NL Silver Slugger
P) Carlos Zambrano, Micah Owings, Brandon Backe
C) Brian McCann, Geovany Soto, Russell Martin
1B) Albert Pujols, Lance Berkman, Ryan Howard
2B) Chase Utley, Dan Uggla, Mark DeRosa
3B) David Wright, Chipper Jones, Aramis Ramirez
SS) Hanley Ramirez, Jose Reyes, Stephen Drew
OF) Matt Holliday, Ryan Ludwick, Manny Ramirez, Carlos Beltran, Ryan Braun, Adan Dunn, Nate McLouth, Andre Ethier, Matt Kemp, Pat Burrell

AL Comeback Player of the Year
1) Cliff Lee
2) Mike Mussina
3) Aubrey Huff

NL Comeback Player of the Year
1) Jorge Cantu
2) Fernando Tatis
3) Ryan Dempster

AL Manager of the Year
1) Joe Maddon
2) Ozzie Guillen
3) Mike Scioscia

NL Manager of the Year
1) Lou Piniella
2) Joe Torre
3) Charlie Manuel

AL GM of the Year
1) Andrew Friedman
2) Theo Epstein
3) Jon Daniels

NL GM of the Year
1) Ned Colletti
2) Michael Hill
3) Jim Hendry

[HoustonGM]

I've changed my MVP and AL ROTY ballots:

AL MVP:
Cliff Lee
Roy Halladay
Grady Sizemore
Joe Mauer
Dustin Pedroia
Alex Rodriguez
Kevin Youkilis
Josh Hamilton
Justin Morneau
Brian Roberts

NL MVP:
Albert Pujols
Hanley Ramirez
Lance Berkman
David Wright
Chipper Jones
Carlos Beltran
Tim Lincecum
Johan Santana
Matt Holliday
Manny Ramirez

AL ROTY:
Evan Longoria
Mike Aviles
Joba Chamberlain