Mike & Mike trivia....

[RedsoxRockies]

Are you talking about pure offense or overall game?

Even considering overall game, I'd put Ruth #1, and then it's a mix of people fighting for the #2 spot with Bonds, Mays, Cobb, Williams, Gehrig, etc.

I was talking about overall.

And here is my top 5:

1. Williams
2. Cobb
3. Ruth
4. Gerhig
5. Bonds

[metsguy234]

My top 5:
1. Williams
2. Cobb
3. Ruth
4. Mays
5.Rose

[HoustonGM]

I was talking about overall.

And here is my top 5:

1. Williams
2. Cobb
3. Ruth
4. Gerhig
5. Bonds

Williams, by most accounts, was a poor fielder, and he was a poor baserunner. The top 5 are some combination of Ruth, Bonds, Williams, Gehrig, and Mays, for me.

[HoustonGM]

My top 5:
1. Williams
2. Cobb
3. Ruth
4. Mays
5.Rose

Pete Rose?

[Swampdog]

Rose must owe him some money. That would be my guess. Rose isnt even in the discussion of best hitter, or best player.

Mantle was a better hitter than either Cobb or Mays. Shorter career, of course.

I wish I could say that Teddy Ballgame was the best hitter ever. I am as big a fan of the Red Sox as exists. Most analysts rate the hitters as either 1-Ruth 2-Williams, or 1-Williams 2-Ruth. From what I can see, these two are in a class of their own.

For best hitter, my purely objective opinion is

1-Ruth
2-Williams

3-4....Mantle, Gehrig

5-10...from among Cobb, Foxx, Musial, Aaron, Mays, Dimaggio

[HoustonGM]

Did you forget about Bonds too?

[RedsoxRockies]

Bonds has gone from being so well known, to somehow being FORGOTTEN and UNDERRATED. Never thought Bonds would go with those two words

[HoustonGM]

Rose must owe him some money. That would be my guess. Rose isnt even in the discussion of best hitter, or best player.

Eh, he thinks Mariano Rivera is mediocre, and Alex Rodriguez isn't quite a Hall of Famer yet. His "best" lists are really based on little more than his predisposed "favorites." Notice how he put Ruth behind Cobb, which is inexplicable by any rational evaluation. He's also said that Gehrig is no better than the 10th best first basemen of all-time, and among those better than him, Carlos Delgado.

He lets his favoritism and bias take over completely when discussing and attempting to evaluate players and where they rank.

[justanewguy]

Rose and Cobb make little to no sense in a list like this.

I also can't understand how anyone in their right mind can't rank Ruth first as the greatest hitter in baseball history. Ted Williams, because of his pure hitting ability, and for being the only player who can come anywhere close to Ruth in career numbers, sounds a little less stupid ranked first than anyone else would... but he's still a long way off by any truly rational and thorough measurement of offense.

An argument could be made that Bonds was a better hitter than Ruth, but only if you're talking about peak. In the first half of this decade, Bonds was not even in the same universe as the sport of baseball. Overall though, I'd place him behind Ruth, Williams and Gehrig, but I'm pretty sure he'd be ahead of anyone else.

[metsguy234]

Pete Rose?

All time hit king, could hit for contact, average, power, had some speed, great fielder...

[RedsoxRockies]

All time hit king, could hit for contact, average, power, had some speed, great fielder...

ONLY the All time hit king because he played way too long, and was killing the team at the end. He was never more than "good" EVER

[HoustonGM]

ONLY the All time hit king because he played way too long, and was killing the team at the end. He was never more than "good" EVER

Not true. He was a great, versatile player from 1965 to 1978. His bat after that was unacceptable for a first basemen, and he hung around as a below average bat in order to pick up the hit crown.

Metsguy, he had great longevity. He made good contact. He didn't have good power. He was a very good hitter, and a great player to have, but he's nowhere near the discussion of greatest hitter or player ever.

[RedsoxRockies]

metsguy, your friend Delgado could, peakwise, be put above Rose

[metsguy234]

metsguy, your friend Delgado could, peakwise, be put above Rose

Don't be silly.

[RedsoxRockies]

Don't be silly.

I am talking about Peakwise. Career wise, Rose is a good head above Carlos