Mike & Mike trivia....

[HoustonGM]

I would put Williams, Aaron, Cobb, and maybe Mays over Ruth

Perhaps you need to look at Babe Ruth's stats again.

My 1-2-3 hitters are Ruth, Williams, and Bonds, with Gehrig a close 4th.

[RedsoxRockies]

Perhaps you need to look at Babe Ruth's stats again.

My 1-2-3 hitters are Ruth, Williams, and Bonds, with Gehrig a close 4th.

I know Ruth was a hitting machine, but Cobb could do everything A+, And williams may be considered the best ever if not for Korea and WWII. And Bonds was Ruth + Speed and amazing defense early on. Mays, He has a case over Ruth, but eh, Maybe he should be lower

[HoustonGM]

I know Ruth was a hitting machine, but Cobb could do everything A+, And williams may be considered the best ever if not for Korea and WWII. And Bonds was Ruth + Speed and amazing defense early on. Mays, He has a case over Ruth, but eh, Maybe he should be lower

Are you talking about pure offense or overall game?

Even considering overall game, I'd put Ruth #1, and then it's a mix of people fighting for the #2 spot with Bonds, Mays, Cobb, Williams, Gehrig, etc.

[TheNamelessPoet]

gotta go with williams 1st then probalbly Ruth.
why do you say Ruth above Williams. Overall game It MIGHT be Ruth because he was a dominant pitcher as well

[TheNamelessPoet]

Willaims

19 Seasons         7706      2654     71     1839     17     709  .344  .482  .634  191        5  20  86  39 197
               2292      1798      525    521       24   2021                            4884
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 162 Game Avg        545  127  188  37  5  37  130   2  1 143  50  .344  .482  .634  191  345   0   1   6   3  14
 Career High    156  566  150  194  44 14  43  159   4  4 162  64  .406  .553  .735  235  368   3   5  33   5  22
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG *OPS+  TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP

Ruth

22 Seasons         8398      2873    136     2217    117    1330  .342  .474  .690  207      113   0   0  43   2
               2503      2174      506    714      123   2062                            5793
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 162 Game Avg        544  141  186  33  9  46  143   8  8 133  86  .342  .474  .690  207  375   7   0   0   3   0
 Career High    154  540  177  205  45 16  60  171  17 21 170  93  .393  .545  .849  256  457  21   0   0   6   2
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG *OPS+  TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP

Cobb

24 Seasons        11434      4189    295     1937    178     357  .366  .433  .512  167      295   0   0  94   0
               3035      2246      724    117      892   1249                            5854
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 162 Game Avg        610  120  224  39 16   6  103  48 10  67  19  .366  .433  .512  167  312  16   0   0   5   0
 Career High    156  625  147  248  47 24  12  127  96 38 118  43  .420  .486  .621  209  367  27   0   0  10   0
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG *OPS+  TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP

[justanewguy]

Williams is as close to Ruth as anyone can be, but Ruth was a better hitter on account of the extra power. His peak was better overall as well.

Nobody else is really close to those two except Gehrig and Bonds. 10 years from now we'll probably be mentioning Pujols too. He'll be the only righty in the group.

[gRYFYN1]

It actually staggering how similar Ruth and Williams numbers are for the 162 game avg. , But Ruth was a power hitter before they even existed, in 1920 and 21 he hit 54 and 59 HR no other player hit more than 24 in either year.

I think Ruth, they way he changed the game, gets the nod over Williams - who does get punished a bit for missing seasons in his prime.

[TheNamelessPoet]

I for some reason always like to use R + RBI - (HR*2)
Williams 127 + 130 - (37*2) = 183
Ruth 141 + 143 - (46*2) = 192

Ruth is better

[dickay]

That was a year ago LOL. I have changed my perspective and have become less irrational. Jeter and A-Rod are 1st Balloters easily, and Pedrioa and Tulo have a long ways to go

I know you have....call me what you will, but I just can't let it go lol.

[TheNamelessPoet]

It actually staggering how similar Ruth and Williams numbers are for the 162 game avg. , But Ruth was a power hitter before they even existed, in 1920 and 21 he hit 54 and 59 HR no other player hit more than 24 in either year.

thats why I pick Ruth
Then again Ruth missed a few years pitching

I think Ruth, they way he changed the game, gets the nod over Williams - who does get punished a bit for missing seasons in his prime.

to me thats a reason to pick williams

[TheNamelessPoet]

and just to be funny Ruth was a better Pitcher
Williams

Year Ag Tm  Lg  W   L   G   GS  CG SHO  GF SV   IP     H    R   ER   HR  BB   SO  HBP  WP  BFP  IBB  BK  ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+
 1940 21 BOS AL   0   0   1   0   0   0   1  0    2.0    3    1    1   0    0    1   0   0     9       0  4.50  4.51  100 1.500 MVP-14,AS
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+
  1 Yr WL undef   0   0   1   0   0   0   1  0    2.0    3    1    1   0    0    1   0   0     9       0  4.50  4.51  100 1.500
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+
 162 Game Avg     0   0  68   0   0   0  68  0  136.0  204   68   68   0    0   68   0   0   612   0   0  4.50  4.51  100 1.500

Ruth

Year Ag Tm  Lg  W   L   G   GS  CG SHO  GF SV   IP     H    R   ER   HR  BB   SO  HBP  WP  BFP  IBB  BK  ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+
 1914 19 BOS AL   2   1   4   3   1   0   0  0   23.0   21   12   10   1    7    3   0   0   100       0  3.91  2.68   68 1.217
 1915 20 BOS AL  18   8  32  28  16   1   3  0  217.7  166   80   59   3   85  112   6   9   895       1  2.44  2.78  114 1.153
 1916 21 BOS AL  23  12  44  41  23   9   3  1  323.7  230   83   63   0  118  170   8   3  1300       1  1.75  2.77  158 1.075
 1917 22 BOS AL  24  13  41  38  35   6   2  2  326.3  244   91   73   2  108  128  11   5  1313       0  2.01  2.58  128 1.079
 1918 23 BOS AL  13   7  20  19  18   1   0  0  166.3  125   51   41   1   49   40   2   3   660       1  2.22  2.69  121 1.046
 1919 24 BOS AL   9   5  17  15  12   0   2  1  133.3  148   59   44   2   58   30   2   5   591       1  2.97  3.02  102 1.545
 1920 25 NYY AL   1   0   1   1   0   0   0  0    4.0    3    4    2   0    2    0   0   0    17       0  4.50  3.82   85 1.250
 1921 26 NYY AL   2   0   2   1   0   0   1  0    9.0   14   10    9   1    9    2   0   0    49       0  9.00  4.24   47 2.556
 1930 35 NYY AL   1   0   1   1   1   0   0  0    9.0   11    3    3   0    2    3   0   0    39       0  3.00  4.32  144 1.444
 1933 38 NYY AL   1   0   1   1   1   0   0  0    9.0   12    5    5   0    3    0   0   0    42       0  5.00  3.90   78 1.667 AS
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+
 10 Yr WL% .671  94  46 163 148 107  17  11  4 1221.3  974  398  309  10  441  488  29  25  5006       4  2.28  2.77  122 1.159
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+
 162 Game Avg    20  10  35  32  23   3   2  0  267.0  212   87   67   2   96  106   6   5  1094   0   0  2.28  2.77  122 1.159
 Career High     24  13  44  41  35   9   3  2  326.3  244   91   73   3  118  170  11   9  1313   0   1  1.75  3.02  158 1.046

[HoustonGM]

Ruth gets the nod because he was simply further ahead of his league than Williams was. Williams also played in slightly more favorable conditions. That, plus the extra power of Ruth, puts Ruth ahead.

[OregonDuck1989]

You're the same guy that said Pedroia and Tululowiczsky (excuse the spelling) were more likely HOF'ers than Jeter and even AROD.

You don't get a say any longer

Tulowitzki*

Also my top five hitters would be:

1. Williams
2. Ruth
3. Gehrig
4. Bonds
5. Mays

RSR, you can't argue against a man who held records for generations,even after the game got heavier in offense and heavier in weight. The man is still third in all-time home runs (and I guess still second if you don't want to include steroids) and the game was almost entirely different when Ruth played.

He's not only one of the best hitters...he's pretty much the first all-power hitter in history.

[HoustonGM]

Tulowitzki*

Also my top five hitters would be:

1. Williams
2. Ruth
3. Gehrig
4. Mays
5. Cobb

How does Bonds not fit into the top 4 at least? Mays and Cobb have arguments for being better all-around players, but talking purely offensively, Bonds beats out everybody except arguably Williams, Ruth, and Gehrig.

[OregonDuck1989]

How does Bonds not fit into the top 4 at least? Mays and Cobb have arguments for being better all-around players, but talking purely offensively, Bonds beats out everybody except arguably Williams, Ruth, and Gehrig.

Edited. I forgot about Bonds. lol