If Ryan Howard wins his second MVP...

[gRYFYN1]

Where'd you get those numbers?

I simply tallied the numbers based on his split from BR, hoo-ray fro spreadsheets. But I think RBI% needs to be the next metric used!!

[metsguy234]

Albert Pujols' team isn't in the playoffs. Therefore he wasn't valuable. Howard's team, and Delgado's team, and Manny's team are all likely in the playoffs. Therefore they are more valuable.

[DarthJaker]

Albert Pujols' team isn't in the playoffs. Therefore he wasn't valuable. Howard's team, and Delgado's team, and Manny's team are all likely in the playoffs. Therefore they are more valuable.

WTF Pujols was valuable if Pujols was taken away from the cards they'd be in last

[dannymac910]

lol

[boa]

I simply tallied the numbers based on his split from BR, hoo-ray fro spreadsheets. But I think RBI% needs to be the next metric used!!

It would basically regress to the SLG % of the player.

[KowboyKoop]

Baseball's like church. Lots of people watch. Few people actually understand.


A lot of fans are stupid. Pujols is the MVP. It's not a debate.

[justanewguy]

Pujols is the MVP. It's not a debate.

Agreed, 100%.

What I also don't understand is why people throw out every name EXCEPT Lance Berkman's when they want to propose an alternative to Pujols. It's insane. Berkman is head and shoulders above everyone in the NL except Pujols, who he trails by a wide margin.

[metsguy234]

But Pujols HAS NOT been valuable. It's called Most VALUABLE Player Award, not Best Player Award.

[justanewguy]

But Pujols HAS NOT been valuable. It's called Most VALUABLE Player Award, not Best Player Award.

How has he not been valuable?

If I have a $5 bill (Pujols) and some change (bad players), and I've got a total of $5.75 (a team out of playoff contention), the $5 is worth just as much as if I had a $5 (Pujols) and 10 $1 bills (good players), giving me a total of $15 (a team in the playoffs).

$5 = $5. Same value, playoffs or not.

The only exception I ever put on this is when there's no player with a huge advantage over another. If a player's stats stack up with everyone else's at the top of the league, and he was an inarguably integral part of his team's success, it gives him a lot of extra weight. Carlos Quentin is an example of this, though his absence due to injury at the end of the season hampers him.

[KowboyKoop]

But Pujols HAS NOT been valuable. It's called Most VALUABLE Player Award, not Best Player Award.

That is incorrect. Pujols is worth more wins than Ryan Howard. Taking Pujols away from the Cards would result in a FAR greater dropoff than taking Howard away from the Phils.

It's really basic logic. Are you saying EVERY SINGLE PLAYER on a team that doesn't make the playoffs has no value? That's just utterly ridiculous.

[RedsoxRockies]

But Pujols HAS NOT been valuable. It's called Most VALUABLE Player Award, not Best Player Award.

OMFG LEARN and actually LOOK at his stats! They are awesome. If he is or is not on a play off team, that should not matter. You are really getting annoying now. At first I thought it was funny how you were so off and confused about baseball stats, now it is getting abnoxious how you blast your opinion and diss everyone elses

[Arctic Blast]

Call me old fashioned, but I still believe that the MVP should go to the player who most improved his team and chances at the playoffs. For Phillie, it is Utley, hands down. Howard should get the golden whiff award though.

I still think that Jose Reyes, Sabathia, and Manny had more of an impact on their teams making it towards the end.

(This comes from an absolute Manny hater, but since the trade....)

I agree completely with giving votes to Utley, rather than Howard. Chase has had a really strong season, though he's been overshadowed.

I still have to give it to Pujols overall, though.

[HoustonGM]

But Pujols HAS NOT been valuable. It's called Most VALUABLE Player Award, not Best Player Award.

Tell me how you can be the BEST player, but not the most VALUABLE player. The player that plays the best, by definition, gives the most value.

You're confusing team success with player value. The performance of the teammates of Albert Pujols should not play into an award for individual performance. It doesn't even make sense.

Like justanewguy said, it's fair to weigh it a little in the case of an extremely close race, but the NL race isn't close, at all. Albert Pujols is heads and shoulders above the rest of the NL.

And if Pujols isn't the MVP, there's at least 10 other players (and maybe even 20) that are more qualified than Ryan Howard.

If I have a $5 bill (Pujols) and some change (bad players), and I've got a total of $5.75 (a team out of playoff contention), the $5 is worth just as much as if I had a $5 (Pujols) and 10 $1 bills (good players), giving me a total of $15 (a team in the playoffs).

$5 = $5. Same value, playoffs or not.]

Simple and to the point. I like it.

[bwit43]

Albert Pujols' team isn't in the playoffs. Therefore he wasn't valuable. Howard's team, and Delgado's team, and Manny's team are all likely in the playoffs. Therefore they are more valuable.

So Howard was NL MVP in 2006 correct? But wait the Phillies didn't make the playoffs. But.... his team didn't make the playoffs so he can't win MVP get a better arguement you stupid newb, hey lets make Delgado MVP, He had a good 2 months! yay! lol typical NY fan.

If Howard steals another MVP away from Pujols it's gonn be a travesty. Pujols should already have 4 MVPs maybe 5, if the media wasn't falling all over Bonds in the early 2000's.

[HoustonGM]

If Howard steals another MVP away from Pujols it's gonn be a travesty. Pujols should already have 4 MVPs maybe 5, if the media wasn't falling all over Bonds in the early 2000's.

Bonds was far and away the MVP in each year from 2001-2004, so it had nothing to do with the media "falling all over" him.

But Pujols did deserve the 2006 MVP, and arguably 2007 as well.